Innovate/Spritex/Bullet... What I found searching the web.

[Adeets]

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

Although very impressive...no one is talking about your car here... What are you trying to say cause it is lost on me. The car used as an example is skatery's car which made a whole lot of power on e85 and more boost.

No offense.

I believe he's visconti tuned, and his e-tunes leave much to be desired. I believe every tune he ships without refinement has knock in it. Don't get me wrong I also got swiped up in the visconti fury, but luckily enough I got a courptted tune file from him and was left stranded with a dead car, mike from moto-east came in picked up the pieces and tuned me pretty.

To sum it up, I would never look at a visconti remote tune and think its normal, if he is visconti tuned (skatery) then I think there's alot more available at that boost level with e-85, safer, with no knock. The tune visconti is proud enough with the stock vortech to post a pic of the dyno was 245whp, with no power gains above 6grand, flatliners, as I call them, and it's jagged, way jagged, even where the torque flatlines, it's jagged from an unhappy motor. I think that sums up what I'm inferring, so it's not the same, but it's still 2 apples one smaller then the other, but the shape can be compared.

Hope that helps as to why I think me and slatery can be compared.

[Draco-REX]

Originally Posted by ft_sjo

Sorry to bring this shock to you but the Sprintex supercharger kit is imported. It's not 'Made in America'. Neither is your car.

Couple things..

He didn't say it was made in America.

Importing several hundred units is FAR FAR cheaper per-unit than it is to import a single one. Counting price conversion and shipping, the kit would cost around $7000 before any import taxes. That's an extra $3K-$4K USD! So no, we can't "just import" one on a whim. That's not how global trade works.

[Sellout]

It shouldn't be amazing to me that one person bringing up CARB has caused that to be the latest go-to reason that the kit isn't here yet, but I still manage to be shocked pretty much daily by online forums.

I think the internet is only making us dumber.

[Anaxilus]

Originally Posted by Sellout

It shouldn't be amazing to me that one person bringing up CARB has caused that to be the latest go-to reason that the kit isn't here yet, but I still manage to be shocked pretty much daily by online forums.

I think the internet is only making us dumber.

No kidding. Especially all the people crying for dynos because all the physics, math and circumstantial data already presented simply isn't enough for these people. What's even sadder is knowing that any manufacturer will release a dyno graph that is somewhat ideal in appearance and usually 'touched up' like a swimsuit model.

Of course half of these remarks are typically from people who didn't even read anything and just jump in making off the cuff comments polluting the thread.

However, CARB has been brought up by several people in several Innovate threads. You might be late to the Innovate rodeo on that one.

[Sellout]

Originally Posted by Anaxilus

No kidding. Especially all the people crying for dynos because all the physics, math and circumstantial data already presented simply isn't enough for these people. What's even sadder is knowing that any manufacturer will release a dyno graph that is somewhat ideal in appearance and usually 'touched up' like a swimsuit model.

My favorite is the "OMG efficiency" folks. This engine is so much different than anything that's ever been done before... As if we've never seen a GT3076R max at 500ish whp on a low compression motor, and then 500ish whp on a high compression motor at lower boost.

However, CARB has been brought up by several people in several Innovate threads. You might be late to the Innovate rodeo on that one.

Oh I know, I just meant that someone mentioned, a few (several?) pages back that CARB testing might be the hold up and now CARB testing is the thing we're all going to bitch about.

[buditjoenawan]

Originally Posted by Sellout

My favorite is the "OMG efficiency" folks. This engine is so much different than anything that's ever been done before... As if we've never seen a GT3076R max at 500ish whp on a low compression motor, and then 500ish whp on a high compression motor at lower boost.

You are absolutely right, because GT3076r is a >50lb/min turbocharger. So the headroom is right on the point. The difference between boost levels is only because boost doesn't measure flow, which is the only thing that matters. Anyway, signing off since it doesn't matter what the facts say.

budi

[Calum]

That's it, I'm just gonna go back to wedge shaped combustion chambers. Because clearly combustion chamber shape has no effect on thermal and/or mechanical efficiency. Nor does rod to stroke ratio, bore size, injection type, ring sealing capability, chamber cooling, egr, scavenging, piston cooling, oil viscosity, pumping and parasitic losses, and compression ratio. Clearly all engines are exactly the same barring the swept volume of the pistons. And brake specific fuel consumption isn't actually a measurement of how efficient an engine makes power from the fuel it's consuming, and thus the air it's consuming by virtue of the air fuel ratio. Is just a bullshit phrase thrown around by people.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by Calum

That's it, I'm just gonna go back to wedge shaped combustion chambers. Because clearly combustion chamber shape has no effect on thermal and/or mechanical efficiency. Nor does rod to stroke ratio, bore size, injection type, ring sealing capability, chamber cooling, egr, scavenging, piston cooling, oil viscosity, pumping and parasitic losses, and compression ratio. Clearly all engines are exactly the same barring the swept volume of the pistons. And brake specific fuel consumption isn't actually a measurement of how efficient an engine makes power from the fuel it's consuming, and thus the air it's consuming by virtue of the air fuel ratio. Is just a bullshit phrase thrown around by people to make you thnk they know what they're talking about.

I'm converting my pistons to triangles for better VE.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

I'm converting my pistons to triangles for better VE.

Change them to a "V" shape, I think it goes better with VE.

[Anaxilus]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

I'm converting my pistons to triangles for better VE.

Rotary huh.

[Sellout]

Originally Posted by Calum

That's it, I'm just gonna go back to wedge shaped combustion chambers. Because clearly combustion chamber shape has no effect on thermal and/or mechanical efficiency. Nor does rod to stroke ratio, bore size, injection type, ring sealing capability, chamber cooling, egr, scavenging, piston cooling, oil viscosity, pumping and parasitic losses, and compression ratio. Clearly all engines are exactly the same barring the swept volume of the pistons. And brake specific fuel consumption isn't actually a measurement of how efficient an engine makes power from the fuel it's consuming, and thus the air it's consuming by virtue of the air fuel ratio. Is just a bullshit phrase thrown around by people.

Yeah yeah yeah. How much more horsepower for each LB/min of air ingested do you think an FA20 can do over the F20C? F22C? How about the F20C over the 4G63?

F20C, F22C, 4G63, 4B11... They ALL max out a GT3076 somewhere real close to 500whp. Despite being different engines. Surely they don't all have the same rod ratio, piston ring sealing, bore size, cooling efficiency, compression ratio. Hell, one of them makes 120hp/L. WITHOUT direct injection and continuously variable cam timing. Surely that one should be capable of 600whp from 52lb/min...

[ft_sjo]

PI is superior for making power over DI.

[Batman]

I don't really agree with all the demand for dynos.. we need a machine to hook the car to, that spits out a page with two ratings: 1: a "sad face" to "happy face" scale-o-fun (can use robi's actual sh*t eating grin) and 2: the color, make, model and plate numbers of the people always trying to race me in my city, that I can now demolish.

I would pay paper money for those results, because ultimately, as my DD, I want more power on tap to make drives between meetings even more enjoyable than they already are, and to not only beat, but strike the fear into my local honda-with-a-paper-cup-exhaust-tip owners hearts!

sure a dyno graph will help with that, and I enjoy all the new "facts" about engine internals and air pumping, but really.. a couple YouTube videos, and the "feels like a solid V6" and robi's description of peoples response from ride a longs is exactly what I need. Maybe for the "American muscle" side of my brain, a couple 1/4 mile and 0-speed limit times would help haha

not trying to start anything else towards distracting the thread, but I am very much excited (and somewhat patiently waiting) for some news on this, and also to see what all the creative tuners out there can do with this kit once they get their hands on it. Until then, however.. keep up the hints robi!!!

[Anaxilus]

Originally Posted by ft_sjo

PI is superior for making power over DI.

That's relative based on how you are making said power. Guess it's nice to have both then.