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Old 03-18-2013, 04:29 PM   #11397
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Biggest con of AWD is the tires. One for all, all for me. If one blow, gotta replace other 3 too. Also extra parts to maintain than FWD (like CV axle, rear diff, hub bearings, & so con).
One must replace all four tires at once, despite only one tire being damaged beyond repair?

I’ve considered the AWD Subarus, but this is new to me. I don’t like the sound of that.

Is the AWD system so sensitive to minor differences in tread depth and, thus, rolling circumference?

Can you explain, please?
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One must replace all four tires at once, despite only one tire being damaged beyond repair?

I’ve considered the AWD Subarus, but this is new to me. I don’t like the sound of that.

Is the AWD system so sensitive to minor differences in tread depth and, thus, rolling circumference?

Can you explain, please?
TBH, I don't have exact explanation for this. Maybe it's an "old saying" (like oil change every 3k)... but it's always been like that
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TBH, I don't have exact explanation for this. Maybe it's an "old saying" (like oil change every 3k)... but it's always been like that
This is new to me.

If this is because the diameter of a new full-tread depth tire differs enough to cause a problem, then there's a simple solution.

Take the new tire to a shop that can true tires concentrically and have them shave the tire to equal the tread depth of the other three tires.

Many racing classes employ street tires. Those tires are typically shaved to 3/32" tread depth before use. Just about "worn out," in other words. Tire shaving is commonplace in performance circles.

If anyone else can confirm that there is a problem with this, or explain why one must replace all four tires when only one is damaged irreparably, I'd appreciate it. If this is a real problem, then it's a real deterrent to me and may cause me to dismiss AWD in the future.
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Well, I finally gave up on the Mazda3.
Sorry to hear that. May I ask why? Was the financing too big of a hurdle?

How much were you putting down, and how much was the selling price? If one has enough down, I'd think the car itself would serve as collateral; the equity you have in it should cover the lender's costs should you default on the loan and they then repossess the car.
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Are you kidding me? That is obviously a great deal but I am poor as heck lol. I can't afford a $5000 beat up NA miata lol

Oh college, so swell.
Ah, you're in college then?
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If it's for camping so forest stuff then I would recommend keep it in NA (3 or Impreza). It's cheaper & better mpg. Not worth having that snail under the hood.

Biggest con of AWD is the tires. One for all, all for me. If one blow, gotta replace other 3 too. Also extra parts to maintain than FWD (like CV axle, rear diff, hub bearings, & so con).
I'm power hungry right now. Lol :P

I don't want NA once I have the money for something more powerful. Both somewhat fit my needs right now. The tire thing though... that definitely sucks. :l

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Differences between the WRX and STI: Wheel bearings/hubs (5x100 WRX, 5x114.3 STI), turbo chargers/placement, transmission (5spd WRX vs close ratio 6spd STI), and differentials (WRX: open front and rear with viscous or MPT center; STI: Driver-Controlled Center Differential and front/rear LSD), and finally brakes (WRX: same brakes we have; STI: 13" Brembo brakes). The $10000 has been less worth it to people since the WRX got the bump to 265hp, but you're paying for the more advanced transmission/differential setup, and those Brembo brakes.

3" turboback exhaust and a Cobb AP with a pro-tune. $2000 for a crap-ton of power.
I'm still curious if that 6th gear is really necessary. Lol
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I'm power hungry right now. Lol :P

I don't want NA once I have the money for something more powerful. Both somewhat fit my needs right now. The tire thing though... that definitely sucks. :l
I understand your power hunger... but after how fast that turbo will suck your money out of your wallet, you'll think twice
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Old 03-18-2013, 06:35 PM   #11408
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I'm still curious if that 6th gear is really necessary. Lol
6th on the STI and 5th on the WRX are going to put you at the same RPMs. 1-5 on the STI is close-ratio, unlike 1-4 on the WRX.
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Mazda Speed 3**** Not the regular mazdas. My bad guys! lol



Mm... The prices between the Speed 3 and Impreza WRX Limited is about 4k.
Impreza has the 20HP+ difference on the SPD 3. Spd3 has torque kick alot higher for obvious reasons.

I could enjoy the FWD but I want a powerful AWD for traveling purposes (camping and such). Yea it'll be used for "motorsport" but it'll be going into the forest with me. Lol Plus... in Rainy conditions it'll work better here. lol

The impreza also weighs about.. 80lbs/38ish kg less than the spd3.

Insurance should be both relatively the same.



MMMM... More like I can't tell the difference between the WRX and the STi. LOL.

So I'm wondering what I could add to make it have that little kick. :P



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This link will allow you to compare various Subaru models with competitors:

http://www.subaru.com/tools/compare-...13&trim=4-Door

Note that the price difference appears to be closer to $5,000 more for the WRX Limited vs. the MS3, making the MS3 that much more attractive. (Ignoring local discounts, which may be greater for the Mazda.)

Read what the major auto mags have to say about these two cars. I'd say they tend to favor the MS3 for value and fun, but they're both good cars.


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Impreza has the 20HP+ difference on the SPD 3.
The WRX has a 2 hp (two) advantage, 265 hp vs. 263 for the MS3. Insignificant.

The MS3 has 280 ft-lb torque vs. a "mere" 244 for the WRX. Significant.

The MS3 has more grunt; the boost comes in at 3000 rpm and the thing "will get your attention." It's fun, and quick. It has so much torque that Mazda has a limiter on it in first gear, and I think second, too. One cannot exploit all that power and torque in those gears anyway because you'll just spin the front wheels.

You'll learn to respect the throttle in the wet.

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Spd3 has torque kick alot higher for obvious reasons.
I don't understand. Could you explain, please?

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I could enjoy the FWD but I want a powerful AWD for traveling purposes (camping and such). Yea it'll be used for "motorsport" but it'll be going into the forest with me. Lol Plus... in Rainy conditions it'll work better here. lol
Perhaps, but I decided for our purposes that AWD would be a benefit we'd rarely benefit from. I might like it, but I'm unwilling to spend an additional $4k-$5k for it. YMMV, of course.

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The impreza also weighs about.. 80lbs/38ish kg less than the spd3.
Forty pounds difference according to the Subaru website, I believe.

The MS3 is quicker.

One may be able to find a much greater discount on the Mazda than on the Subaru. That was the case here, recently. Your area may be different.

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Insurance should be both relatively the same.
Insurance may be equally TOO HIGH. Be certain to confirm the cost before buying the car, since it might be more than is worthwhile on these cars, especially if you're young and just starting out. You face many expenses as you get your start in life. This would be a particular concern were you to opt for the STi.


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MMMM... More like I can't tell the difference between the WRX and the STi. LOL.
You cannot tell the difference from behind the wheel?

In that case, that extra 40 hp is hardly worth the $10,000+ premium on the STi. There are a few other improvements as well, as noted in another post.

The STi looks attractive, but many auto mag reviewers question whether it's worth the hefty premium for the STi vs. the WRX, never mind the MS3, just as I do.

The Mazdaspeed 3 is a real bargain.

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So I'm wondering what I could add to make it have that little kick. :P
Your money, of course, but I would't do that. The costs and risks outweigh the benefits. These cars are plenty quick enough for most anyone, especially a "beginner."

I'd recommend spending the money upgrading the driver. Go to a racing school up at Laguna Seca or Sears Point (or whatever it's called these days.)
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