Toyota FT-86 Price Poll - Page 8 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Midship Runabout · 03-29-2011, 04:34 PM

People freak out about the price of premium way to easily. 20 cents a gallon more. You fill up you 20 gallon tank and its a whooping 4 dollars more.

And yes I would hope this motor as efficient as possible from the factory requiring 91 octane.

Allch Chcar · 03-29-2011, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Midship Runabout

People freak out about the price of premium way to easily. 20 cents a gallon more. You fill up you 20 gallon tank and its a whooping 4 dollars more.

And yes I would hope this motor as efficient as possible from the factory requiring 91 octane.

Certainly I agree. But the price of premium was fixed in the past because it was profitable. As the price for gasoline goes up the price very well could split. And if people complain about 20 cents more per gallon they'll flip if the gap gets bigger. Which reminds me I thought it had changed? :hmm: maybe I misheard?

I suppose I'm just nitpicking possible issues now

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Dimman · 03-30-2011, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Midship Runabout

I believe it is very possible. Boxers have a tendency to be have a little more torque compared to inlines. And on top of that throw on (hopefully) toyota/yamaha heads with variable valve timing on both cams, direct injection, and a compression ratio that demands 91 octane. I believe it would be close. But that's just my theory.

170 out of the 2.0L if they tune the living shit out of it and go nuts with a high CR and direct injection. And to get that torque level it would be pretty high in the rpm range, and it's hp would be pretty sweet too.

Torque is very, very, closely connected to displacement.

fitcious · 03-30-2011, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ichitaka05

I think so too... but I worry bout those dealers might raise it up

not if it's a scion here in the states...no haggle pricing.

NESW20 · 03-30-2011, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Midship Runabout

I believe it is very possible. Boxers have a tendency to be have a little more torque compared to inlines. And on top of that throw on (hopefully) toyota/yamaha heads with variable valve timing on both cams, direct injection, and a compression ratio that demands 91 octane. I believe it would be close. But that's just my theory.

cylinder layout has next to nothing to do with torque production. however, i agree with the rest of what you said.

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Originally Posted by Dimman

170 out of the 2.0L if they tune the living shit out of it and go nuts with a high CR and direct injection. And to get that torque level it would be pretty high in the rpm range, and it's hp would be pretty sweet too.

Torque is very, very, closely connected to displacement.

sounds good to me!

OldSkoolToys · 03-30-2011, 07:24 PM

150 would be good enough for how heavy this car is going to be.

I think too much emphasis is being placed on the engine performance by most people. Rest assured, the engine will be plenty powerful for the car its going to be in. Enough to have fun in factory form. And by the look's of the G's concept, along with Toyota taking input from shops and personalities such as Tsuchiya (who is a huge aftermarket supporter, obviously), we can be rest assured the car is being produced with the aftermarket in mind.

Dimman · 05-02-2011, 03:45 AM

I'm going to bump this because I've been thinking a bit more on this.

What exactly in this car is going to make it expensive?

Beyond the cylinder heads/D4-S, it's got less stuff in it than an Impreza right?

So why are we predicting a $23k-$26k car?

Plus as I've been looking between US and Canadian sites, I'm getting pissed at how much we get screwed on car prices in Canada (even before the taxes).

Impreza example:

Bigger car, 2.5L AWD, 5 speed, 4 doors, more stuff.

No fancy heads or 6 speed. Suspension components are more about tuning than manufacture. Brakes for a 3100 lbs car should be sufficient for the (hopefully much) lighter FT86. 16" rims.

Now the dollars (this hurts...)

In the US the Impreza starts at $17,495 USD
In Canada the Impreza starts at $20,995 CAD

But wait! Isn't the Canadian dollar worth more than the US dollar now? Yes it is. To in Canada the base Impreza starts at the equivalent to $22,163 USD!!! WTF!?! Almost $5k more for the same car???

Either way, why would the FT86 end up costing $8k more than an Impreza, for only trading the 5 speed/AWD for a 6 speed/RWD and better heads?

serialk11r · 05-02-2011, 05:32 AM

Lower volume production and more development cost maybe? Seeing how a civic si is already 22 k, I think 23 would be pretty good, but of course if they can beat that price more power to them.

blur · 05-02-2011, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Dimman

Either way, why would the FT86 end up costing $8k more than an Impreza, for only trading the 5 speed/AWD for a 6 speed/RWD and better heads?

LSD? R&D? high performance tires? sport suspension?

iono, we don't even know what the car's specs yet.

Deslock · 05-02-2011, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by serialk11r

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Originally Posted by Dimman

Either way, why would the FT86 end up costing $8k more than an Impreza, for only trading the 5 speed/AWD for a 6 speed/RWD and better heads?

Lower volume production and more development cost maybe?.

Yes. The Impreza is based on a high volume, shared platform that's several iterations in.

Also there's supply and demand... Since the FRS is pretty (the 2012 Impreza is an improvement, but still ugly), I expect it to be sought after. For that reason, and because I'd prefer a sleeper, I almost wish they hadn't made it so good looking.

tranzformer · 05-02-2011, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Deslock

Yes. The Impreza is based on a high volume, shared platform that's several iterations in.

Also there's supply and demand... Since the FRS is pretty (the 2012 Impreza is an improvement, but still ugly), I expect it to be sought after. For that reason, and because I'd prefer a sleeper, I almost wish they hadn't made it so good looking.

It is still a prototype so we have no idea what the production version will look like.

Dimman · 05-02-2011, 11:10 PM

I'm just getting impatient...

Anyone want to take a shot at why Canadian car buyers need to bring Vaseline when we go to a dealer, given the value of our dollar?

OldSkoolToys · 05-03-2011, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Dimman

I'm just getting impatient...

Anyone want to take a shot at why Canadian car buyers need to bring Vaseline when we go to a dealer, given the value of our dollar?

Its not like the American dollar is doing any better...

Dimman · 05-03-2011, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Dimman

Now the dollars (this hurts...)

In the US the Impreza starts at $17,495 USD
In Canada the Impreza starts at $20,995 CAD

But wait! Isn't the Canadian dollar worth more than the US dollar now? Yes it is. To in Canada the base Impreza starts at the equivalent to $22,163 USD!!! WTF!?! Almost $5k more for the same car???

$17,495 USD
$22,163 USD (Canadian price converted to USD)

Same car.

Before ridiculous Canadian tax.

The car companies are also trying to say that some safety or anti-theft component is different between the US and Canadian models so the US ones are 'unsafe' to import (legal issue, but total and complete BS!). Trying to prevent cross-border shopping to prop up thieving Canadian dealers.

(Not just Subaru...)

View Poll Results: Base (starting) Price Predictions (US)
<$17,000	1	1.05%
$17,000-$20,000	9	9.47%
$20,001-$23,000	52	54.74%
$23,001-$26,000	22	23.16%
$26,001-$29,000	8	8.42%
$29,000-$32,000	3	3.16%
$32,000-$36,000	0	0%
>$36,000	0	0%
Voters: 95. You may not vote on this poll

03-29-2011, 04:34 PM	#99
Midship Runabout formerly Dixie Normous Join Date: Jan 2010 Drives: The ladies wild! Location: ())_)CRAYOLA)_))> Posts: 996 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	People freak out about the price of premium way to easily. 20 cents a gallon more. You fill up you 20 gallon tank and its a whooping 4 dollars more. And yes I would hope this motor as efficient as possible from the factory requiring 91 octane. __________________

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