Twins vs 2015 z06

[PhoKingCool]

Originally Posted by BadBRZ

1: outperforming a z06 isn't my goal nor would i spend money with that ambition

2: now your throwingin crap liek "lap after lap day after day" ... that changes everything.... with that mind set a stock prius out performs a f1 race car because it can drive for over a hundred thousand miles with out needing a rebuild

3: yes i understand a z06 base is better than ft86 base... can an FT86 be modded to outperform a z06 in g's, 1/4mile and top speed for less... YES... will it last longer ... no.... will it be as valuable ... no .... will it be unique .. yes

Well said!!!

As far as Acree's statement regarding the M3, the reliability totally depends on the year. The E46s are like tanks but the present day models of M3 are below par. BMWs, Mercedes, Audi, and other prominent European automotive companies definitely do not manufacture their products like how they use to. Wait til something breaks on your M3 and you'll see first, how much they cost but more importantly, how often chronic issues occur. I speak from experience after owning both a BMW 330i and newer Mercedes E350. Both were pieces of junk!

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by Acree

Actually he's pretty flipping close... It's more expensive than anyone on these boards truly realizes.

They won't believe me.

The brakes I chose were in the 350mm front disc range. AP racing's step above the endurance line.

Wheels, well, like I said, you're not going to road race your monster engine with 265mm tires. Gotta get 10s up front and 12s in the rear if you want to play ball, or not die on the track. Or spin when you touch the accelerator.

Ohlins are not so hot compared to what Chevy puts on the Vette. The Vette's shocks are computer controlled magnetowhateveritscalledexpensiveshit.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Jaden

2.2 bar relative to vacuum is 17 psi...

Jadrn

Originally Posted by Jaden

http://www.convertunits.com/from/bar/to/psi

atmospheric is already at one bar. If you are comparing bar as it relates to above atmospheric like in car boosting applications, then you need to basically subtract 14.7 psi.

2.2 bar would be 32 psi minus atmospheric, which is 14.7 at sea level.

Jaden

wouldnt that be 2.2 relative to 1 instead of vacuum?

also, some of the fanboys are crazy. i guess they are everywhere though

[BadBRZ]

Originally Posted by fatoni

wouldnt that be 2.2 relative to 1 instead of vacuum?

also, some of the fanboys are crazy. i guess they are everywhere though

1bar is atmosphere or 14.7psi, 2.2 bar is roughly 17.64 psi on your basic guage

[BadBRZ]

Originally Posted by Atropine

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BTW I don't want to play this card...

But you guys running 15 PSI on a stock bottom end with stock internals...I do look forward to your "Re-Build" threads because we all know that is what is going to happen down the road.

Again with this reliability crap.... Do you think we expect the stock motors to last at triple its stock capacity. If you can't afford to pay then you shouldn't try to play.

Your insistent whining about reliability and cost has no place in this discussion.

[Atropine]

Originally Posted by BadBRZ

Again with this reliability crap.... Do you think we expect the stock motors to last at triple its stock capacity. If you can't afford to pay then you shouldn't try to play.

Your insistent whining about reliability and cost has no place in this discussion.

But it does...because a lot of people do not realize this.

One of the things special about the Corvette is its ability to give you 600+ HP and still be under factory warranty and have longevity.

Sadly, a lot of people here play Forza and Gran Turismo and dominated with the R34 Skyline...therefore they think the R34 Skyline is the best car ever...or the Suzuki Pikes Peak car.

A 900HP Skyline does not run forever...it will be constantly breaking shit.

A 900 HP Supra will not run forever...you will be rebuilding things.

A 600 HP BRZ will not run forever either. While its working...it is AMAZING.

Sadly, there are guys who buy a Twin...and then use their Credit Card for an Innovate S/C and then have Toni from FA20Club tune their car...and then it blows up.

They are left with a car that won't budge and that has a voided warranty...and 20k sitting on a Credit Card.

Threads like this influence these 'Young'uns into doing FI, without really really know what they are getting into.

I love tuner cars and modded cars.

I don't even like thinking about the money I spent buy XXXXX Car and modding it...and then selling it for a good bit less than what I paid for it (and what I spent modding it)

I started my addiction when I was in my early 20s and I didn't really have the money to be doing that.

Now that I am more established and stable...I accept its a money pit that leads to great stories and fun times...but its an expensive hobby.

Sometimes, people read these build threads and do not truly realize what goes into all of this. Its not Legos. What works on one car, may not work on another.

And it is surprisingly easy to destroy an engine/car/chassis if you don't know WTF you are doing.

[Twin4Life]

This bullshit discussion is still running. LOL. "My 86 can beat up your GTR with 22 pounds of boost and...." Too funny.

[SrtWtF]

Swap a Ls into the frs and it'll shit on any vette Nuff said. Oh and it'll still cost less than the new vette and you'll most likely be the only one in the state with this car and that motor.

End rant.

[DylanFRS]

86 trumps everything cuz I own one, nuff said.

[enjetek]

i wanna get an 86 now since it can beat everything...

[thill]

Originally Posted by SrtWtF

Swap a Ls into the frs and it'll shit on any vette Nuff said. Oh and it'll still cost less than the new vette and you'll most likely be the only one in the state with this car and that motor.

End rant.

LOL, it's not as simple as dropping in an engine. You have to upgrade lots more stuff to handle the power. Brakes, clutch, radiator, suspension, etc. I am curious what a proper LS swap costs. I want to say it is $40K to do it in an Miata and I would expect the FT86 to be as much, if not more.

Edit:

There you go, $43K to do an LS swap on a Miata (this includes parts and labor):
http://www.flyinmiata.com/V8/turnkey.php

And that is just the basic upgrade. You can see where spending close to $50K just for the conversion is not hard to do on a Miata.

For a brand new FR-S (say $25K) you are taking probably $60-70K? Might as well buy that new Vette...

[enjetek]

Originally Posted by thill

LOL, it's not as simple as dropping in an engine. You have to upgrade lots more stuff to handle the power. Brakes, clutch, radiator, suspension, etc. I am curious what a proper LS swap costs. I want to say it is $40K to do it in an Miata and I would expect the FT86 to be as much, if not more.

Edit:

There you go, $43K to do an LS swap on a Miata (this includes parts and labor):
http://www.flyinmiata.com/V8/turnkey.php

And that is just the basic upgrade. You can see where spending close to $50K just for the conversion is not hard to do on a Miata.

For a brand new FR-S (say $25K) you are taking probably $60-70K? Might as well buy that new Vette...

come on man! don't be realistic with people in here...

[DylanFRS]

Originally Posted by thill

For a brand new FR-S (say $25K) you are taking probably $60-70K? Might as well buy that new Vette...

Didn't you read, idiot, 86 > Vette!

[thill]

Yeah, it's not just here. The WRX forums are full of guys thinking they can make 500whp and not break things. Same with Evo. Same with Focus ST.

For me, it comes down to buying the car that suits you and your needs. If you want gobs of power (hp/tq) then buy a car that has that out of the gate. On a budget? Get a Mustang GT. I have owned cars like that and they are not for me, I would much rather have a lighter car that is focused on the driver and handling. And there are high power cars like the Vette that can do that. As good as the FT86 is, it is not a C7.. It was never meant to be.. Accept it..