2015 FR-S Start of Production - May 7, 2014

[Joeprelude]

I saw a picture of the Release 1.0 FRS, it's a yellow TRD car...trd fender emblems, trd exhaust, body kit, HIDS, 86 headlights, TRD suspension intake exhaust, and other small TRD things. Picture was from a local dealer that went to Austin for some meeting about the 2015 series cars

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[NickFRS]

Originally Posted by Marcoscrdo

Whats the difference if all sudden an anouncement for a factory turbo version? people always upgrade it anyway so if you got the money buy one of the kits that are out now. people are acting like the power is impossible to get when it is out there already. what advantages are there if there was a released turbo version?

Lets be real here. If there was a turbo version of a limited BRZ the base cost would be north of 45k. Who would buy that when you could get an STi.
(this car as made to be cheap and affordable.)

[chrisl]

Originally Posted by NickFRS

Lets be real here. If there was a turbo version of a limited BRZ the base cost would be north of 45k. Who would buy that when you could get an STi.

You think a turbo would add $17,500 to the cost of the car? That seems a bit unrealistic.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by NickFRS

Lets be real here. If there was a turbo version of a limited BRZ the base cost would be north of 45k. Who would buy that when you could get an STi.
(this car as made to be cheap and affordable.)

7-8K at most if they add turbo and revamp the interior and suspension. You do know that you can almost get a base Cayman at 45K, right?

[GreenMonster]

Originally Posted by chamourian

I am one of the holdouts for the 2015s to have more power. If they don't, then I'm going to save the money and buy a leftover '14

I'm thinking the same way... even if the 2015 has more power, it'll depend on price. I'll probably end up with a 2014, but I'm willing to wait a couple more months before I make my decision. If the 2015 is more of the same, I'll grab a '14. If the '15 is a decent bang for the buck......

[raven1231]

Originally Posted by gt8613

how many times did you guys have to get on your knees to learn that? :P

Excuse me but none....just had to bend over a few times

[Wandr3r]

I got a chance to speak with Ted Lalka, the VP of Marketing for Subaru Canada at the Employee demo for the 15' STI in Vancouver last month. I asked if we will see more power from this platform for 2015/16. He said there are no plans for a factory turbo or super charger from Subaru within the current cycle. I asked about a factory Ts version, He stated it would not be the same as the Japanese "IF" if was to ever happen. So a typical response I guess. So 15' sounds like it will be the same unless there is a limited run of 15' Ts variants, and it would be very limited.

[Poodles]

Originally Posted by TrackRider54

Take a peek at the Miata. It's been around for a quarter century. First generation ran for 10 years. Second gen ran for 7 years. Third gen has been in production for 9 years and still going.

The twins aren't about speed, never have been and probably never will be.

Yes, but those 3 generations are split up a hell of a lot.


NA


1990: first year 1.6 motor, etc


1991: ABS and automatic added


1992: Better hardtop and a brace was added to the subframe


1994: (beginning of "late" NA)1.8 motor, torsen LSD, better bracing, bigger brakes, bigger wheels/tires


1996: Minor power bump


NB


1999/2000: otherly known NB1, last of the Miatas to not need premium gas, headlights, bumper, taillights, are specific to these years.


2001: Projector headlights, new variable valve timing engine requiring premium gas, etc


2004/2005: Mazdaspeed Miata


NC


2006: new NC
2008: facelift
2013: another minor facelift


The NC saw the least amount of tweaking that I'm aware of, but I'll admit I'm no expert as I tend to like the NA/NB better. The main point is that Mazda constantly tweaked the Miata year to year to make it "better." I don't see the same things happening with this car sadly, at least not so far unless we get more info on the 2015's soon.

[NickFRS]

Originally Posted by chrisl

You think a turbo would add $17,500 to the cost of the car? That seems a bit unrealistic.

Because if there was a turbo model it would be a ts or sti. the ts cost 38k usd roughly. now add an oem turbo.

good day.

Originally Posted by Dark

7-8K at most if they add turbo and revamp the interior and suspension. You do know that you can almost get a base Cayman at 45K, right?

Yea so does n STi. i've rolled a brand new sti off the show room for 40k before instead of a Caymen. Your point? also turbo TS>Caymen esp if there was oem.

[chrisl]

Originally Posted by NickFRS

Because if there was a turbo model it would be a ts or sti. the ts cost 38k usd roughly. now add an oem turbo.

good day.

Simply taking what the car costs in another country and converting it to USD is almost never a good way to figure out what it would cost if sold here. For an obviously ridiculous example, a Forester XT costs £31k in the UK, which is the equivalent of $51k USD. However, it clearly doesn't cost that much in the US.

Originally Posted by NickFRS

Yea so does n STi. i've rolled a brand new sti off the show room for 40k before instead of a Caymen. Your point? also turbo TS>Caymen esp if there was oem.

It's called a Cayman. With an a. Also, what's your point exactly here? Sure, you can spend 40k on an STi. As for a turbo BRZ being better than a Cayman? That depends on what you want. I doubt it would have any more power (~275hp), it would probably be similar in weight (maybe a hundred pounds lighter), and the driving dynamics would be significantly different, especially on corner exit (mid vs front engine). Both would be great cars, and you could make a case for either.

[NickFRS]

Originally Posted by chrisl

Simply taking what the car costs in another country and converting it to USD is almost never a good way to figure out what it would cost if sold here. For an obviously ridiculous example, a Forester XT costs £31k in the UK, which is the equivalent of $51k USD. However, it clearly doesn't cost that much in the US.

Quote:
Originally Posted by NickFRS
Yea so does n STi. i've rolled a brand new sti off the show room for 40k before instead of a Caymen. Your point? also turbo TS>Caymen esp if there was oem.

It's called a Cayman. With an a. Also, what's your point exactly here? Sure, you can spend 40k on an STi. As for a turbo BRZ being better than a Cayman? That depends on what you want. I doubt it would have any more power (~275hp), it would probably be similar in weight (maybe a hundred pounds lighter), and the driving dynamics would be significantly different, especially on corner exit (mid vs front engine). Both would be great cars, and you could make a case for either.

Okay if you want to talk about how much a car cost here. Lets put a few factors in first. If subaru did make a turbo model lets look at their other models. (I've owned every type of subaru)

Subaru impreza base MSRP 18k
Subaru impreza WRX base MSRP 26k

Price difference from N/a Platform to Turbo Model $9k

Subaru impreza WRX/STi base MSRP $35k

Price difference from Base Performance Turbo model to STi $9k (again)

Subaru forster base MSRP 21k
Subaru forester XT base 28k

Price difference from N/a Platform to Turbo Model $7k

Now these are the only two Boosted platforms Subaru has. Generally we can say there an min 7k in price for a boosted model. We also know subaru always has a base boosted model and then the "limited versions.

WRX base to Limited price difference 4k
WRX/STi base to Limited difference 3.5k
Forester XT base to Touring difference 5k

We can even see that in the subaru BRZ but the BRZ is the cheapest.
Prem BRZ 25k
Limited BRZ 27k

2k Price difference. Why is the BRZ cheaper to go from limited? because the other base models do not come with nav. So lets use the FRS as the Subaru BRZ base.

Scion FRS Base Model 24k

Base to Limited difference 3k

(no turbo model available)

Okay so now lets do something else. Use our general understanding of how subaru upgrades their turbo models to put that into the subaru BRZ.

Turbo Model BRZ Base 24k+7k = 31k (which we would consider an equivilent to a WRX model) Which I would consider them just strapping on a turbo.

Turbo model BRZ STi Base 31k+7k = 39k This would be BBK Turbo Coils ect.

Limited +3k

Turbo Model BRZ Limited 31k+3k = 34k

Turbo Model BRZ STI Limited 39k + 3k = 41k

I didn't split up toyota/Subaru because that would be a even bigger waste of my time then writing this huge comparison that would never happen.

Also i wasn't comparing it to a porche. Someone else was. How can you compare an imaginary car to a real car.

~Cheers

[MeehowsBRZ]

So there's been zero official word on a turbo BRZ and you're already talking about a $40k BRZ STI?! Let's slow things down a bit maybe.

[FRSupra]

Originally Posted by gily25

The sales will literally plummet as a result of the new gen Mustang and Stinger just being on the market. The 18 month buyers have already been dropping off this platform (not waiting) and expect a substantial amount of owners to bail on the twins when Mustang inventory hits peak.

I don't know who's running the marketing over at the Toyobaru project but they need to be fired. The only hope here is for a half year/early 2016 model to come right as the others hit peak inventory. Especially if it's a single trim level upgrade, because people will have a greater trust in a model already being produced (think of how many, it's a first year car threads we've had). *2 cents*

Whut? The Mustang/Stinger will never compare to this car, regardless of power. This is a reliable sports car, a driver's car with the perfect amount of power.. Buyers for this platform know what they are doing. To say that someone would leave this platform for the new mustang is saying they have no idea what they're doing. The new Mustang will sell to people who want straight line power, or just want a status statement. Mustang's also cover a wide variety with their convertible package - I see more women driving mustangs than men. There is no doubt the mustang will sell well, as it always has, but to a market that the 86 platform is not meant for.

Originally Posted by TrackRider54

When I saw the BRZ/FRS in person and test drove it, I immediately knew the demographic the car was aimed at. Me!

I'm 42, wife, child not in a car seat, and already have a "family car". This car is so scary similar to a Datsun 260z or 280z, early RX-7, Toyota Celica Supra, etc. All great cars from the late 70's and early 80's when guys my age were kids reading car mags or just getting our license.

The difference is, the twins have more power than those cars and obliterate them from a performance perspective. Even the best tires back in the 70's and 80's were far worse than the stock tires that come on the BRZ/FRS. Remember the Ferrari 308 from Magnum PI? Yeah...you do if you're my age. We all slobbered over that car. It wore 205/70-14 tires and made a whopping 255hp from a V8 and went 0-60 in about 6.5 seconds which was considered extremely fast back then and truth be told, it still is. Just because a V6 Camry can go faster doesn't mean it's as much fun doing it. I'd rather have a car that feels fast, than one that is fast.

Subaru/Toyota knew exactly who they were designing the car for. They really have the only game in town for those of us who are looking for a time machine of sorts. Yeah, I could buy a Mustang GT or a C6 Corvette, but I've driven them and they just feel huge and ungainly. I can't afford the maintenance on a BMW or Porsche.

Enter the BRZ/FRS. Just what I'm looking for. Inexpensive (relatively), cheap to own, cheap to maintain, good fuel mileage, reliable. If you drive this car like a sane person I see no reason why it wouldn't reward you with 200,000 miles.

Thank you. That post should be reviewed by every new member and made available to potential buyers.

Originally Posted by cycleboy

I've never had another car before that I look at just sitting in the driveway and go, "Damn, she's hot!"

Two words: Toyota Supra.

[mkivalex]

Originally Posted by FRSupra

Whut? The Mustang/Stinger will never compare to this car, regardless of power. This is a reliable sports car, a driver's car with the perfect amount of power.. Buyers for this platform know what they are doing. To say that someone would leave this platform for the new mustang is saying they have no idea what they're doing. The new Mustang will sell to people who want straight line power, or just want a status statement. Mustang's also cover a wide variety with their convertible package - I see more women driving mustangs than men. There is no doubt the mustang will sell well, as it always has, but to a market that the 86 platform is not meant for.



Thank you. That post should be reviewed by every new member and made available to potential buyers.



Two words: Toyota Supra.

So true, Id tell my FRS to get out of the way so I could stare at my Supra some more.