New 240Z Confirmed for Nissan's 80th Anniversary! [Video]

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Dimman

^ Holy shit, why didn't Mazda bring this here???

I didn't know this existed!

Looks like a modern Triumph GT6.

Really? I thought you knew about roadster coupe. I saw this in real life and gotta say... stock, it's fugly. Some aero & drop, it looks REALLY sweet

[QFry]

sorry weight i listed was for the GT500...my bad... and thank you for that mazda...i have never seen it before, that being said they only made 179 of them in 2003 and it is still a 2 seat roadster (should have made that instead of the rx8 imo, which i had forgotten about) your right i am wrong, i never should have said on this forum that the GC (in the USA) was the first 4 cyl RWD 2+2, cheap, and "light" to hit the market since 98... im stepping out of this now.

[70NYD]

Originally Posted by Guff

YEAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!




The Revolution has begun.

Exactly what I was thinking
Someone had to open the door, now that it is, bring it oooon!

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by QFry

sorry weight i listed was for the GT500...my bad... and thank you for that mazda...i have never seen it before, that being said they only made 179 of them in 2003 and it is still a 2 seat roadster (should have made that instead of the rx8 imo, which i had forgotten about) your right i am wrong, i never should have said on this forum that the GC (in the USA) was the first 4 cyl RWD 2+2, cheap, and "light" to hit the market since 98... im stepping out of this now.

Nah, you're on the right train of thought. Consider that the Gen Coupe was Hyundai's first RWD sports coupe EVER, they did a pretty good job. And it probably scared the crap out of Toyota or at least lit a fire under their ass to actually get the FT86 into production. Hyundai had been starting to steal Toyota's boring car pie, but no way were those evil Koreans going to out-do Toyota's epic sports car heritage (with a wee bit of help from Subaru), golly gosh darn it!

And they didn't, as the GT/86/FR-S/BRZ came out and car drivers lived happily ever after.

(Except for the crickets, stalling and no turbo...)

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by QFry

sorry weight i listed was for the GT500...my bad... and thank you for that mazda...i have never seen it before, that being said they only made 179 of them in 2003 and it is still a 2 seat roadster (should have made that instead of the rx8 imo, which i had forgotten about) your right i am wrong, i never should have said on this forum that the GC (in the USA) was the first 4 cyl RWD 2+2, cheap, and "light" to hit the market since 98... im stepping out of this now.

Lol chill my friend. I'm just having simple debate & not to argue w ya.

As for roadster coupe were solid small amount was due to crappy sale. Serious, in real like stock is fugly (like I've stated). Also iirc I thought it had rear seats like USDM Rx7? Or maybe the one I saw had a custom rear seat? Who knows.

Yes, I do agree that, GC helped w cheap RWD 4 cylinders sports car in US

[cyde01]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Edit: for Nissan the success of the Twins is part, but I think they may have been stung when Mr K himself said the Twins are closer to the original Z ideal than the new Zs are.

Interesting. Back in 99 when the 300zx was discontinued and before the release of the 350z, nissan released a zcar concept that was lightweight and used a 4 cylinder 2.4 liter motor. It was supposed to be closer to the original concept of the zcar. However, there was an absolute outcry within the nissan company. See, within the nissan company there are many who love the zcar even more than the skyline. They actually see the zcar as a halo car for nissan. To them, putting a 4 cylinder in and calling what is essentially a 240sx replacement a zcar is an insult to the nameplate. Thus, the concept was scratched, they went back to the drawing board, and the result was the 350z. If they want to make a light weight and low cost new zcar, i have a hard time seeing them accomplishing their goals with today's automotive market if they insist on having at least 6 cylinders. To date, the 99 concept is the only zcar to ever have a 4 cylinder engine.

[JoeBoxer]

That Mazda Roadster Coupe (talk about an oxymoron) would look pretty cool given the Mazdaspeed treatment they did to the car here. Damn here's one where i used to work..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2005-...item416c3cdb71

[einzlr]

Originally Posted by Dimman

^ Holy shit, why didn't Mazda bring this here???

I didn't know this existed!

Looks like a modern Triumph GT6.

I hadn't heard of it either. Gotta love that name - Roadster Coupe lol. There are a lot of cars that are sold only in specific markets; possibly the reason they didn't bring this one to the USA is that they thought it wouldn't be successful, or they didn't want it cannibalizing sales of the RX-8.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by cyde01

Interesting. Back in 99 when the 300zx was discontinued and before the release of the 350z, nissan released a zcar concept that was lightweight and used a 4 cylinder 2.4 liter motor. It was supposed to be closer to the original concept of the zcar. However, there was an absolute outcry within the nissan company. See, within the nissan company there are many who love the zcar even more than the skyline. They actually see the zcar as a halo car for nissan. To them, putting a 4 cylinder in and calling what is essentially a 240sx replacement a zcar is an insult to the nameplate. Thus, the concept was scratched, they went back to the drawing board, and the result was the 350z. If they want to make a light weight and low cost new zcar, i have a hard time seeing them accomplishing their goals with today's automotive market if they insist on having at least 6 cylinders. To date, the 99 concept is the only zcar to ever have a 4 cylinder engine.

Yeah, I agree w you on that one. Sadly, I'm kinda of part of that z fans that need to keep the Fairlady w only 6 cylinders... BUT I don't mind having GC idea put to Z tho. So it's like this:
250z = 2.5L I4 turbo (240hp/245tq)
Fairlady Z = 3L v6 turbo (305hp/305tq)

& make Fairlady ver w aluminum hood, trunk & roof vs 250z havin' regular steel on those 3 areas. That itself should shave a lot of weight in Fairlady ver... & I have a tons of ideas... but I don't wanna spill all the good concepts lol

[S2kphile]

DO WANT EUNOS COUPE

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by S2kphile

DO WANT EUNOS COUPE

Yeah, if you do some mods, it looks nice... but seriously, stock is dead fugly w BIG gap between tire and fenders, fugly wheels, and everything were wrong (other than coupe). Prob that's why they didn't sell well. lol

btw where was this? SEMA?

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by cyde01

Interesting. Back in 99 when the 300zx was discontinued and before the release of the 350z, nissan released a zcar concept that was lightweight and used a 4 cylinder 2.4 liter motor. It was supposed to be closer to the original concept of the zcar. However, there was an absolute outcry within the nissan company. See, within the nissan company there are many who love the zcar even more than the skyline. They actually see the zcar as a halo car for nissan. To them, putting a 4 cylinder in and calling what is essentially a 240sx replacement a zcar is an insult to the nameplate. Thus, the concept was scratched, they went back to the drawing board, and the result was the 350z. If they want to make a light weight and low cost new zcar, i have a hard time seeing them accomplishing their goals with today's automotive market if they insist on having at least 6 cylinders. To date, the 99 concept is the only zcar to ever have a 4 cylinder engine.

I agree on the 6 cylinder engine, but I don't think that was specifically what Mr K meant in the interview. The complete idea/execution of the GT86 was closer to the original Z than the current Z is to the original.

There is no reason that Nissan couldn't make a less luxurious, smaller, lighter, more engaging, less expensive Z car, and still keep the 6 cylinder powerplant.

Imagine the twins with 2 seats (pushed back so the balance stays good with a longer/heavier motor), and V6 for say 3 grand more. Nissan could do it if they wanted.

[lopro25]

Originally Posted by QFry

would it be fair to say that the Hyundai Genesis Coupe started this revolution?

I see that there were other cars in the mix keeping this segment open, however I would argue that the GC was the first EXCITING lightweight rwd for a very long time in the US. And I will also argue that a lot comes down to marketing, and if not for the strong marketing by Hyundai, the segment may have in fact disappeared when the GC went down in flames. For God's sake I owned a 2006 Monte Carlo SS when the GC was released, and I managed to make it back to my preferred segment.

And finally, I believe all debaters here have neglected the cost-factor. A BMW 318 was still BMW-priced

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[Wolfking]

Originally Posted by LazyZed

I will go on record that, depending on price and spec, I will trade my 86 for a 2014 240z in a heartbeat! I have a 300zx at the moment that I love and adore so am a little bias

Yeah, yeah I know I submitted a thnx for this qoute, but the reality is I still feel as if Nissan "spat in my face" by killing the S14 in 1998.

They failed "us" by offering an ultra priced replacment during a sh!@#$% world economy. All the s-chasis needed was more power, or perhaps the upgraded S15 imported to the US. Instead we ended up with the Z34's, which by the way are superb cars, minus their price tag and lack of practicality. Now at the end of this rant, I'll simply state "shut up and build the damned thing and we'll see!"