Why aren't you vaccinated yet? [CLOSED DUE TO POLITICS]

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by humfrz

@Irace86.2.0 DOESN'T EAT MEAT!? -

He was so heavy, so heavy…

https://www.onegreenplanet.org/news/...lls-to-police/

[wbradley]

^^One of my all time favourite movies.

Dinner was beef back ribs done in an air fryer.

[Capt Spaulding]

You are a cruel man. And I think you know it.

But, the cream gravy is missing from th' taters.

[wbradley]

Originally Posted by Capt Spaulding

You are a cruel man. And I think you know it.

But, the cream gravy is missing from th' taters.

I have a packet of gravy mix but it seemed wasteful just for me.

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by FR-S2GT86

@humfrz

Waiting for me to die is like waiting for Cal Worthington and his dog, Spot to return to Federal Way......ain't gonna happen in your lifetime.

I always thought it said, "pu*** cow **ss* cow ****y cow!"

Originally Posted by ermax

I've spent a ton of time in hospitals and doctors offices the past month. ... What I found interesting with all this time in the ER and at doctor's offices is how little talk there was about COVID. When my son was in the ER for respiratory issues they never once suggested it was COVID (and yes he had a fever). No COVID tests or anything. My brother in law is a doctor who is a big provaxer who did reluctantly take the Moderna vax but no one else in his family has taken it. My next door neighbor is also a nurse who hasn't taken it and doesn't plan on it. She said most of the nurses at her hospital haven't and don't plan on it.

The survival rate of the flu is about the same as COVID.

Did you also stay at a Holiday Inn Express? I'm sorry to hear that your kids have gone through so much trouble recently. My balls ache for thee.
However, the attitudes of the few people you spoke with at a hospital have nothing to do with science. As I read your post, I thought to myself, "Where the hell is this guy?" I was not surprised to find out you are in Florida.

Nurses and doctors are not experts on epidemics. That's a field called epidemiology. https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dsepd/ss19.../section1.html
My dentist is an antivaxxer. I love her, and she is a fantastic dentist, but that doesn't make her wise in all things medical.

Your last line is a real doozy. It's just completely false. The COVID death rate is in the region of 1.5-2%. It can go higher when hospitals are overflowing, as it has recently in parts of India.

The flu death rate is a fraction of this. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden...-estimates.htm
The flue the year before COVID... Going with means of the ranges offered, 47 million cases. 43k deaths. .09% death rate. That means COVID is 16 to 22 times deadlier than the flu.

Except that the flu runs around unchecked and hits about as many Americans as COVID did when massive efforts were made to avoid the disease. Meanwhile, all the efforts to combat COVID have caused a 90% or so decrease in flu cases. That implies, tough not with certainty. Imagine if, with no protections, COVID were 10 times bigger. 10 times more deaths. That's 6 million dead Americans. The truth is, though, that deaths could have been far worse since hospitals could have been completely overrun.

The math is not on your side, Florida man.

[alphasaur]

I can say as a registered nurse in New York, most of the nurses and health care providers I know have been vaccinated. Not sure how much faith I would put into the "I know a son of a cousin of a doctor and he isn't vaccinated" claims. Maybe more in New York got vaccinated due to how hard we got hit early on?

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by alphasaur

I can say as a registered nurse in New York, most of the nurses and health care providers I know have been vaccinated. Not sure how much faith I would put into the "I know a son of a cousin of a doctor and he isn't vaccinated" claims. Maybe more in New York got vaccinated due to how hard we got hit early on?

I'm sure by this point, political beliefs play a part in that. Hard evidence or not.
(not trying to get into politics too much).

[alphasaur]

Originally Posted by weederr33

I'm sure by this point, political beliefs play a part in that. Hard evidence or not.
(not trying to get into politics too much).

It's unfortunate that politics have made their way into healthcare, and I mean that for both sides. Whenever data doesn't support the narrative they're trying to push all of a sudden science gets tossed in with the opposing political party.

Covid has been played heavily by both sides, with the left often making it out to be far more deadly than it is (it's no MERS or SARS) and the right making it out to be a simple cold (it's far more deadly than flu). As usual, the answer is somewhere in the middle.

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by alphasaur

It's unfortunate that politics have made their way into healthcare, and I mean that for both sides. Whenever data doesn't support the narrative they're trying to push all of a sudden science gets tossed in with the opposing political party.

It's an interesting psychology for sure

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by alphasaur

It's unfortunate that politics have made their way into healthcare, and I mean that for both sides. Whenever data doesn't support the narrative they're trying to push all of a sudden science gets tossed in with the opposing political party.

Covid has been played heavily by both sides, with the left often making it out to be far more deadly than it is (it's no MERS or SARS) and the right making it out to be a simple cold (it's far more deadly than flu). As usual, the answer is somewhere in the middle.

Politics exists everywhere. It's like the Schwartz. Whining about it doesn't change things.

While I'm sure some people somewhere have played up the deadliness of COVID, I haven't seen it. You spread your ignorance. COVID-19 is a form of SARS.
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/diseases-conditions/covid-19
COVID-19 is MASSIVELY deadlier than SARS and MERS combined. SARS killed like 800 people or so. https://www.cdc.gov/dotw/sars/index.html
MERS killed far fewer from what I gather.
But COVID 19? That shit is nasty. It has this long incubation period where it spreads rapidly. Then it kills 1.5-2% of people, but 2-3 weeks later. It's a great spreader. It fits right into the stupidity blind spot of danger sensing that many people possess. Come on, man. Think! AT LEAST 600,000 DEAD AMERICANS.

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by wbradley

^^One of my all time favourite movies.

Dinner was beef back ribs done in an air fryer.

Green beans better than asparagus.

Change my mind.

Also, where the fuck is your gravy and salt brother.

[alphasaur]

Originally Posted by EAGLE5

Politics exists everywhere. It's like the Schwartz. Whining about it doesn't change things.

While I'm sure some people somewhere have played up the deadliness of COVID, I haven't seen it. You spread your ignorance. COVID-19 is a form of SARS.
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/diseases-conditions/covid-19
COVID-19 is MASSIVELY deadlier than SARS and MERS combined. SARS killed like 800 people or so. https://www.cdc.gov/dotw/sars/index.html
MERS killed far fewer from what I gather.
But COVID 19? That shit is nasty. It has this long incubation period where it spreads rapidly. Then it kills 1.5-2% of people, but 2-3 weeks later. It's a great spreader. It fits right into the stupidity blind spot of danger sensing that many people possess. Come on, man. Think! AT LEAST 600,000 DEAD AMERICANS.

Nothing about being ignorant, in terms of mortality rate % wise it doesn't hold a candle to SARS COVID 1 or MERS, it just happens to be way more contagious. In terms of individual risk, it's far less deadly, to a population way more deadly. At the beginning of covid-19 much of the fear was that the mortality rate would be closer to the 10% of sars covid I in conjunction with spreading far easier, thankfully that was not the case.

I never said it wasn't deadly lol

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by spcmafia

I have ZERO, absolutely ZERO issues with anyone here, I love the purpose of the forum, the off topic lunge, everything, but out of all the threads to should probably be shut down, this one should be shut down the most.

I appreciate any conversation in which eloquent and impassioned arguments are presented. I hope no one complains about this thread.

[TylerLieberman]

Jfc here we go again.