Email from Key Toyota Engineer regarding FT86

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

wait that means, I might see this prototype in my state?

Death Valley no!?

Originally Posted by PAImportTuner

Confirms that, I was told the idea of base having no power options was brought up and was shot down almost immediately, does not go with the Scion line and doesn't agree with 2012. I wanted the no pwr option btw.

Originally Posted by TRDLiquidSilver

don't place too much blame with manufacturing its the distributors that you need to get angry with. fyi: pwr seats and moonroofs won't make it into the fr-s. they were also tinkering not having any pwr win/lks at all and making everything manual but that was quickly shot down.

+1
I was one of the few here who also wanted to see this car raw as possible.

I actually miss cars with manual door locks, manual windows, manual side mirrors etc. Having to lean over to unlock the passenger door or to stretch your arm and roll down the passenger window! Ol Skool

Originally Posted by TRDLiquidSilver

toyota is being very shy about how much work they're doing, which is a lot. they've built a great car that just need a few things which they have in my reports.

So is it safe to say that the exterior quirks that most of us were complaining about will probably won't even be there in the final release.

[cyde01]

Originally Posted by Kids Heart

Probably sounded so cool in Japanese.

「オレ達ゃく・る・ま・を作ってんだ、家電を作ってんじゃねえ」

って感じか？

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by iff2mastamatt

Considering that the FT-86 will only have 2 windows to adjust, I would hope that they were both power up/down. It's annoying to hold down the other window when the one is auto, so I know what you mean. However, I think most manufacturers don't put it on both to save $$$; not weight.

I hate that feature. Hard as heck to get it to the mid level without ****ering with the two button control.

Originally Posted by PAImportTuner

What about saying on Monday that Subaru was in the states and CA car was theirs and everyone told me on what basis or no it has Toyota plates on it, I knew already it was, then today pics are released, it has G ball, and steering wheel. Being only 40min from SOA is a plus and our company has a relationship with Subaru and all the aftermarket companies for them, so sometimes I can get some important crumbs.

I must have just missed it then, I'm sorry but after the first couple of posts it got really annoying and hard to read your posts . All I can say it's better to be nice then people will warm up to you as opposed to thinking you're just another troll in the den .

Originally Posted by bofa

Whatever.. it's flippin hot down here and being able to roll my windows down with my key fob is awesome. This car will see more DD use than track use for me. If I'm worried about the extra 3-4 pounds it might cost me, I'll eat an extra fiber bar.

lazy. That is more likely to be an option than manual everything. And power anything is $$$ for a dinky little electric motor or wires or sensors. Pray you don't get the wrong side of the coin and have to pay to replace them.

[bofa]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

lazy. That is more likely to be an option than manual everything. And power anything is $$$ for a dinky little electric motor or wires or sensors. Pray you don't get the wrong side of the coin and have to pay to replace them.

I'm guessing based on Scion's present lineup, we'll see them standard, hopefully with 1-touch up/down like mentioned above. The key fob control would be super though... once you get used to it, it's hard to do without.

I'm not worried about repairs... I'll be leasing 36 months so it will be under warranty the whole time.

[Neutral_Eyes]

Originally Posted by Ryephile

You can't get even a street-legal Lotus stripped out that hardcore from the factory. The Porsche Boxster Spyder is a bloated pig compared to your preferences, even if they checked off some of your boxes. You're better off stripping out your own car as you see fit. Furthermore, stripping out a pig of a car to make it lighter is a waste of time compared to starting with a light car with minimal factory junk. Let's be honest, you're in the vast minority of super-mega hardcore people that aren't worrying about being comfortable or getting laid. It sounds more like you're looking for an Ariel Atom, Lotus 2-Eleven, Radical, or shifter kart, not a road car with a heavy license plate and headlights.

My preferences, aside from the lightweight roof, are more about minimalism than weight savings. I'm all for comfort too - makes it easier to enjoy the drive. I just want the cheapest starting point possible so I can spend more on personalization.

[xantonin]

Originally Posted by TRDLiquidSilver

there's more than one car. you happen to only see in it in germany and socal but there's a prototype testing in very cold weather where there are no spy photographers and in japan. the reason your seeing it in a socal freeway was for engine temp data gathering in severe stop and go driving. you will see more spy photos when we bring it to the desert.

w00t! I'm guessing that means the proving grounds here in Phoenix!!!

I hope I can snap some photos. I hear a lot of manufacturers put their cars in hot metal sheds here, and let them idle to stress test them.

We also have a LOT of proving grounds here.

Here's the Toyota one, everyone

http://goo.gl/maps/LAzQ

That is 4 miles long, and 10 miles in circumference.

BTW this is the GM grounds. A bit smaller. http://goo.gl/maps/o6kO

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by TRDLiquidSilver

actually the things that the car doesn't need (e.g. nav or leather, park assist etc...) is not being added by t.m.m. but t.m.s. which is a distributor not manufacturing. when a land cruiser goes to south africa they could care less about park assist. t.m.m. will ask the distributor what they want and build a vehicle specific for their region based on what the distributor thinks would sell.

don't place too much blame with manufacturing its the distributors that you need to get angry with. fyi: pwr seats and moonroofs won't make it into the fr-s. they were also tinkering not having any pwr win/lks at all and making everything manual but that was quickly shot down.

Embargo cover whether or not we can find out if the 90mm stroke is going to make it into the car or not?

Dead fucking serious. This is a TMM thing.

[Levi]

In my FT-86 I don't want any comfy features, all I need is a manual air conditioner and a stereo, no navi.

[Laika]

Originally Posted by Ryephile

It sounds more like you're looking for an Ariel Atom, Lotus 2-Eleven, Radical, or shifter kart, not a road car with a heavy license plate and headlights.

I wonder if anyone else caught this

I have to admit I'm a little bit disappointed about the lack of a moonroof on the FR-S. Hopefully the Subaru is different but at the same time if I can save ~$1000 and what...100 pounds? I can be happy about that too.

[Maxim]

Originally Posted by WingsofWar

My guess, Chassis Toyota / Powertrain Subaru / Drivetrain Toyota / Suspension Subaru / Braking system Toyota/

Really?

My guess is:

Chassis = Subaru
Engine = Subaru
Drivetrain = Outsourced
Suspension = Subaru
Braking system = Subaru

Funding = Toyota
Marketing = Toyota
Final aero tweaks = Toyota

The companies likely cooperated heavily at the beginning stages, to decide on overall project goals, target size/weight/power, etc, and they're likely cooperating heavily for the final polish now that the project is nearly completed.

That said, I suspect that the heavy lifting, i.e. development of all the base parts, was done by Subaru.

[Matador]

Jesus, Mary and Joseph, not this effing shit again #facepalm.

[bofa]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Jesus, Mary and Joseph, not this effing shit again #facepalm.

[Maxim]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Jesus, Mary and Joseph, not this effing shit again #facepalm.

Yeah, I know it upsets Toyota enthusiasts to hear people talk about how most of the hardware for Toyota's new performance car is really from Subaru...but....

Most of the hardware for Toyota's new performance car is really from Subaru.

Which is fine, because Toyota's business model allowed it to make stupid amounts of money and buy part of Fuji Heavy Industries, and thereby take some creative control in terms of what Subaru works on.

Really, what it all boils down to, is that anybody can make the main physical parts. There's almost no difference between the automakers on this stuff because they've been doing it for like 100 years. The devil is in the details, and Toyota performance cars FEEL the way they do because of this. I have no doubt that regardless of who built the chassis or engine, the car, in Scion form, will feel like a toyota performance car.

It'll probably be a bit buzzy, there's probably going to be good amounts of wind and tire noise, and the steering wheel will probably get the jitters over rough roads. And all of those things are fine because apart from the wind noise, the other ones can arguably help connect the driver with the car more


Think how the boys over at Chrysler feel. Every good vehicle they make minus the Ram line of trucks.....rides on a 1 generation old Merc platform....lol

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by Maxim

...
Think how the boys over at Chrysler feel. Every good vehicle they make minus the Ram line of trucks.....rides on a 1 generation old Merc platform....lol

I think they're too busy praising the Manufacturer to care . I know would .

Sooo does this letter even change anything?