Why would more power ruin the car??

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

The question was not why Toyota or Subaru is not doing it. It was more if power can ruin the particular car. There are at least two active topics on the next generation car and you can post there your prattles if they will do it or not, if Subaru can do it alone or not and why and so on.

If I can recall you have minimal modifications on this particular car in the range of lowering springs and a catback and even these pre-installed by the dealer and certainly not any power mods. Let some others talk who have more experience in this area and if they really ruin the character of the car.

Yep mostly stock because I want a reliable DD and it does that job perfectly. On those rare occasions I get to play I can maybe push the car to 7/10 of it's capabilities while on the street.
Yes the things I have were pre installed by the dealer. It was the showroom car to push the add ons. I got $6,000 worth of stuff for $1,000 with full warranty coverage. What a fool I am for not doing it myself.
I have been modding cars for 46 years. My credentials have been provided here many times.
The whole question of what ruins the "character" is not answerable anyway. It is a machine and does not have "character". Much of what people like or dislike depends far more on their driving style and expectations. This is why some say more power ruins it and others think it becomes perfect. There is no ruin or not ruin if the results that you get are what you want. That applies only to those that actually do mods that get results though not people that throw random bits on and then claim huge increases based upon their own pet theory.

[tomm.brz]

i have yet to hear one that went the FI route that has complains about the car becoming worse, even people who goes often to track

Mr.Tada can say what he wants about the product he created, i will never think the car will become so much worse with more power and grippier and larger tires

[nikitopo]

I think the whole topic came out , because it was believed somehow that Mr. Tada didn't like turbos and now that Supra is coming he has to convince people that he is not opposed to turbos.

"I do like turbos, however if we come up with a turbo version of the 86 and boost up the power that would result in the necessity of changing the basic configuration completely, to come up with a car that I would be satisfied with,”

“One characteristic of the 86 is that in terms of the front balance its slightly front loaded so it makes the handling more fast and agile. So if we were to come up with a turbo version, we would have to go change the weight balance between the front and the rear."

“That means we have to come up with a completely new platform, so it’s not about just changing or slight modification in the engine parts,”


This is really a character or characteristic, if you don't like the other term, of the 86. The only difference is that I don't really think a supercharger or a combination of NA mods and weight reduction ruins the above.

[Lantanafrs2]

It doesn't need 300 hp. Just more torque imo.

[tomm.brz]

i do think the same as you, but it s comprehensible the developer can t put out this as easy as we do for many reasons, most of them already debated here by many

[PetrolioBenzina]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

It doesn't need 300 hp. Just more torque imo.

More fun is an OFT flash away, for cheap. The V4 tunes and E85 is impressive.

[new2subaru]

Originally Posted by tomm.brz

i have yet to hear one that went the FI route that has complains about the car becoming worse, even people who goes often to track

There have been several that have removed their FI because they felt it changed the car in a negative way. I won't forget when one individual posted he was getting better times on track NA vs FI.

I'm conflicted myself as to whether I go FI or not. I'm getting some track time this summer and hope to figure it out.

[Sapphireho]

Originally Posted by new2subaru

There have been several that have removed their FI because they felt it changed the car in a negative way. I won't forget when one individual posted he was getting better times on track NA vs FI.

I'm conflicted myself as to whether I go FI or not. I'm getting some track time this summer and hope to figure it out.

I don't track my twin, but I've done plenty of tracking in my day. More hp just makes it so you can actually pass.

My 310hp on e85/240 hp on gas twin is perfect. If you think you can just bolt on a jrsc kit and call it a day you are wrong. About another 10 k in supporting mods to do it right.

My car is perfect now.

[Harey]

Originally Posted by new2subaru

There have been several that have removed their FI because they felt it changed the car in a negative way. I won't forget when one individual posted he was getting better times on track NA vs FI.

I'm conflicted myself as to whether I go FI or not. I'm getting some track time this summer and hope to figure it out.

Interested to hear more from those people who have gone back from fi to Na and felt the car improved.

I'm guessing these have been turbo. A handling car is very sensitive to big rushes of torque. For a handling car you want predictable responsive linear power and torque to precisely manage the balance of traction.

[new2subaru]

Originally Posted by Sapphireho

I don't track my twin, but I've done plenty of tracking in my day. More hp just makes it so you can actually pass.

My 310hp on e85/240 hp on gas twin is perfect. If you think you can just bolt on a jrsc kit and call it a day you are wrong. About another 10 k in supporting mods to do it right.

My car is perfect now.

I made no mention of jut bolting on a supercharger...I'm glad to hear your car is making you happy.

[new2subaru]

Originally Posted by Harey

Interested to hear more from those people who have gone back from fi to Na and felt the car improved.

I'm guessing these have been turbo. A handling car is very sensitive to big rushes of torque. For a handling car you want predictable responsive linear power and torque to precisely manage the balance of traction.

They come up once and a while and most were superchargers IIRC.

[Harey]

Ok still interested to hear why.

[Harey]

Just to restate, I am NOT saying the car should come from the factory with more power. There are thousands of threads like that already.

[Sapphireho]

Originally Posted by new2subaru

I made no mention of jut bolting on a supercharger...I'm glad to hear your car is making you happy.

Sorry, I thought the thread was about more power ruining the car. It doesn't, track or street, unless you don't know how to drive. More power as many have said needs proper support. That's my point. I can't imagine someone properly boosting and getting shity times unless they have more car than they can handle.

Just putting in my $.02.