2013 Scion FR-S Priced at $24,200 ($24,930 after destination)

[fistpoint]

Originally Posted by dori.

yeah but there's the whole thing about finding someone to spend your life with and the cost of the ceremony

sounds A LOT harder than paying $150/mo

LOL!

That's a hell of a way to look at higher rates for singles...good point though, and factual.

[Quentin]

2005 MINI Cooper S: $23,500 (wife's current DD)
2007 VW GTI: $26,500 (my old DD)
2010 Toyota 4Runner: $36,200 (my current DD)
2012 Toyota Prius v: $36,550 (wife's on-order DD)

Those are the stickers of last 4 cars I've purchased. The FR-S seems cheap in comparison.

[Capt Canuck]

Wow! That is what a Prius costs? :-s
I didn't realise wanting to look like you cared about the environment cost so much money ;-)

[Quentin]

Originally Posted by Capt Canuck

Wow! That is what a Prius costs? :-s
I didn't realise wanting to look like you cared about the environment cost so much money ;-)

My wife wants the completely loaded model with LED headlights, top trim nav, pre-collision detection, parking assist, radar cruise control, and panoramic moonroof. If she were OK with just the regular nav, leather, etc, it would be $30k. The base Prius v is $26k.

It isn't so much saving the environment than getting a car that is comfortable, huge inside (for the upcoming baby), and is easy on gas. Maintenance is super cheap on them (no belts, no alternator, no starter, brakes last forever), they are super reliable, and they will have great resale as gas prices keep climbing. The only other car that is as large and efficient (only on the highway) is the VW Jetta Sportwagen TDI. My VW GTI was a reliability nightmare so I won't go near a VW dealership any time soon, especially when it is the car that will be carrying my wife and child.

[fistpoint]

Originally Posted by Scion FR-S

You (and those like you) keep MISSING THE WHOLE F$%^ING POINT of this car

I...we, think you are actually.

Regardless of what Toyota, Subaru, or you/anyone says this cars target was, the simple fact remains there are people like me on this forum who want a new car this year because our current car is 9 years old(or however old).

I also am considering the GC if I either cannot due to availability or do not want the BRZ/FR-S after driving or looking at one. I am also considering the 2013 Civic Si, and that isn't even a RWD!

Some of us look at what we're getting for X amount of money. We don't necessarily care if it's FWD or RWD. If the engine is in front or back, or whatever else. Personally my main concern is weight. I insist upon a vehicle that is well below 3000lbs, preferably 2500ish. The other criteria is that I must have a coupe.

So, THAT is why you keep reading people comparing it to the GC...because many of us ARE comparing it to the GC with money in hand ready to go. Your opinion or Toybarus fact on the competition becomes moot if the end user makes the comparison.

[Double4Free]

Higher then $28,000 after tax title and licensing? I dunno thats really pushing it...and thats for a base model..

[greenguy101]

Originally Posted by fistpoint

I...we, think you are actually.

Regardless of what Toyota, Subaru, or you/anyone says this cars target was, the simple fact remains there are people like me on this forum who want a new car this year because our current car is 9 years old(or however old).

I also am considering the GC if I either cannot due to availability or do not want the BRZ/FR-S after driving or looking at one. I am also considering the 2013 Civic Si, and that isn't even a RWD!

Some of us look at what we're getting for X amount of money. We don't necessarily care if it's FWD or RWD. If the engine is in front or back, or whatever else. Personally my main concern is weight. I insist upon a vehicle that is well below 3000lbs, preferably 2500ish. The other criteria is that I must have a coupe.

So, THAT is why you keep reading people comparing it to the GC...because many of us ARE comparing it to the GC with money in hand ready to go. Your opinion or Toybarus fact on the competition becomes moot if the end user makes the comparison.

I understand your point. Just keep in mind that the GC weighs 3389 lbs. so you may want to rule it out due to your own criteria.

[titusdrake]

Originally Posted by Quentin

My wife wants the completely loaded model with LED headlights, top trim nav, pre-collision detection, parking assist, radar cruise control, and panoramic moonroof. If she were OK with just the regular nav, leather, etc, it would be $30k. The base Prius v is $26k.

As a single youngin i have no perspective, but what if you told your wife that she didnt need the loaded model? You would save like 8 grand.. Does she let you spend money on cars? Married women in my life keep telling me that my futurevwife wont wont let me own/buy sports cars.. I say bs. I love driving and i want a fun car..

[TOYSTRY]

After reading the last 7 pages of complaints about the pricing I've come to one conclusion, and that conclusion is that most of the members on this forum that are interested in buying this car may not be able to afford this car hence the complaints ($500 a month car payment over the course of 5 yrs may be too steep for some).

IMO, $25,000 isn't expensive for what you're getting (european styling, track performance, 53/47 weight distribution, detailed interior/exterior, boxer engine, toyota quality, etc). And as it's already been said......there are no "new" cars that can compete with what the FR-S/BRZ offers at this price. PERIOD!

With that said, I'm know there are a few of us "slightly" older that visit the forum, I'm 36, who may have jobs that afford us the ability to see this car and think $25,000 is reasonable. For others who are maybe younger, or may not have steady employment, this may be too expensive for them. In short, maybe the price complaints are based off of forum members "lack of income" which in turn translates into complaints of an "overpriced car".

Regardless, next year I'll be in the market for either a FR-S/BRZ (even if the BRZ sells around $30k) as I think it's still a reasonable price for WHAT YOU ARE GETTING. Now if they offer a TRD or STi version, that would be even more exciting but will come with a hefty price increase I'm sure.

Hope nobody takes offense to my posting.......just expressing my thoughts on the matter when it comes to the pricing complaints.

:happy0180:

[TOYSTRY]

Originally Posted by Quentin

2005 MINI Cooper S: $23,500 (wife's current DD)
2007 VW GTI: $26,500 (my old DD)
2010 Toyota 4Runner: $36,200 (my current DD)
2012 Toyota Prius v: $36,550 (wife's on-order DD)

Those are the stickers of last 4 cars I've purchased. The FR-S seems cheap in comparison.

Quentin,

Are you over on the 4Runner forum? http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/

I'm pretty sure I know you from over there???

[Quentin]

Originally Posted by titusdrake

As a single youngin i have no perspective, but what if you told your wife that she didnt need the loaded model? You would save like 8 grand.. Does she let you spend money on cars? Married women in my life keep telling me that my futurevwife wont wont let me own/buy sports cars.. I say bs. I love driving and i want a fun car..

She'd tell me I didn't need $12k worth of bicycles that I have sitting in the garage or spend 12 days backpacking with my buddies at Glacier National Park like I did last summer. Pick your battles and you'll be much happier for it. We're leasing the car through my company and it is the difference of $57/month for 4 years. $2700. Not worth getting nitpicky about that little money when she's willing to let her MINI go in a couple years for me to get an FR-S. And she loves her MINI. If that package makes her happy with the v, so be it. Being able to sacrifice a thing or two for one another builds trust and happiness in a relationship. When it comes time to buy the FR-S, I'm the more likely to talk myself out of it saying that I don't need a $25k toy when I have a perfectly good 4Runner and she'll probably say, "Honey, just get the car. You'll enjoy it." She's done it several times already.

Originally Posted by TOYSTRY

Quentin,

Are you over on the 4Runner forum? http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/

I'm pretty sure I know you from over there???

Yes sir. Love my 5th Gen T4R.

[86fanatic]

Originally Posted by Bristecom

You're kidding, right? How can you possibly believe there has been no inflation in the past 80 years? The price of nearly everything has gone up significantly over the years and we've been "printing" trillions of dollars. Of course the CPI is going to look stable because the government constantly changes the way it measures it so it doesn't look as bad.

And what do you think caused the stock market and housing collapses? They were bubbles caused from inflation and mal-investments by the government.

Re-read what I said? I didn't say there was no inflation, I said there is constant inflation. Inflation is kept constant by the central bank. The assumption is that what caused the great depression to be so bad was that it was a lack of currency injected into the economy which coincided with massive *DE*flation - which was extremely bad.

LOANS caused the stock market collapse, not inflation. It had zero to do with inflation except some inflation penalty by printing money to cover the bad loans (bank bailout). Although as I already said this inflation penalty hasn't really shown up in any data - inflation has been constant the last few years as well.

Learn the history before you make outrageous assertions.

[TOYSTRY]

Yes sir. Love my 5th Gen T4R.

Thought I recognized ya.......I love my T4R too, but it's in San Diego for the next year with the wife while I'm stuck in WA state with my lil Scion TC that I never, ever drive (fun car, just don't have a need for a car here to be honest).

[Snoopyalien24]

Originally Posted by TOYSTRY

After reading the last 7 pages of complaints about the pricing I've come to one conclusion, and that conclusion is that most of the members on this forum that are interested in buying this car may not be able to afford this car hence the complaints ($500 a month car payment over the course of 5 yrs may be too steep for some).

IMO, $25,000 isn't expensive for what you're getting (european styling, track performance, 53/47 weight distribution, detailed interior/exterior, boxer engine, toyota quality, etc). And as it's already been said......there are no "new" cars that can compete with what the FR-S/BRZ offers at this price. PERIOD!

With that said, I'm know there are a few of us "slightly" older that visit the forum, I'm 36, who may have jobs that afford us the ability to see this car and think $25,000 is reasonable. For others who are maybe younger, or may not have steady employment, this may be too expensive for them. In short, maybe the price complaints are based off of forum members "lack of income" which in turn translates into complaints of an "overpriced car".

Regardless, next year I'll be in the market for either a FR-S/BRZ (even if the BRZ sells around $30k) as I think it's still a reasonable price for WHAT YOU ARE GETTING. Now if they offer a TRD or STi version, that would be even more exciting but will come with a hefty price increase I'm sure.

Hope nobody takes offense to my posting.......just expressing my thoughts on the matter when it comes to the pricing complaints.

:happy0180:

Its good you express your opinions and stuff.. But you can't generalize everone as one. Especially when 95% of the ones complaining are all under 150 or even 100 posts.

Some are trying to "sort things out" but probably found out about this car about less than 2 weeks ago..

This car will attract a lot of attention and Toyobaru will want to juice the hype by later releasing other varients of the car.. Its the only smart thing to do, and doesn't have any negative side to doing so.