2013 Scion FR-S Priced at $24,200 ($24,930 after destination)

[titusdrake]

Originally Posted by Brett

Assuming 2%:

60 months: $17.53 per $1000 borrowed
48 months: $21.70 per $1000 borrowed
36 months: $28.64 per $1000 borrowed

Brett

[Sport-Tech]

Originally Posted by titusdrake

i would've happily paid 23 for the fr-s. i might still buy but a little begrudgingly...unless they include the bespoke, fogs, and spoiler in that 25k price tag.

Originally Posted by titusdrake

seriously though i think once you drive this car you won't care that its 27 grand.

Someone's been up too late and spent way too much time on this thread, all over the map...

[tachi1247]

the price on the car is fair and right where I expected it to be, and where every review that has been written put it.

I sure hope the people who preordered a brz bring their lube with them to the dealer or they are going to be a little sore back there. The frs is going to sell at ~$25k which means a brz premium is probably going to sell around $26.2 or 26.5k after the initial hype. And that is SELL not msrp. Msrp is probably going to be $27 or a tad over. Probably be $29 sticker for a limited. All those with deals to purchase at msrp aren't going to be happy.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by titusdrake

indeed. and thats fine with me, Id rather have monthly payments for the new car warranty than to keep paying to fix my current high mileage used car

I understand your view, sort of, but I'm introduced by my friends as "the guy that drives his car until they don't make parts for it any more".

My current DD has 288K+ miles on it. Since it went out of warranty in 2002 because of mileage I have spent exactly $2,342.76 on non-maintenance repairs. So, an average of $234.28 a year doesn't exactly a new car payment justify. (By the way, this a Chevy Astro, not some precision made German machine).

Doing a quick count, I've owned 6 new warrantied cars over 3 decades. Of those, none had a major repair during the warranty period. Sure, they had some minor trim repairs that sort of thing, but it was all stuff I either wouldn't have had done out of warranty, or I would have done myself.

During that same time, I've also owned a lot of used cars (including the above mentioned Astro that was purchased while still under warranty but with 16K miles on it at a substantial discount off new). None of them ever cost me more than $1,500 a year in repairs, and as far as I can remember none required repairs in the first year of ownership.*

My rule is once a car costs me either 1) in one repair more to repair than the Repair+Unrepaired Cost than the car is worth, or 2) repairs in one year exceed the value of the vehicle I start looking for a new car.

(*I'm excluding the the first group of $300 cars from that statement and the Ferrari since I only owned it for 2 days and never really drove it )

[Kimah]

Got the price for the GT here in Norway today.
Around 78100$!!

[Sport-Tech]

Originally Posted by koyv90

why do you people say its not the car for you? We want the car we just want it to be a relative good buy. I love the fr-s looks and idea behind it but I can't get behind something that will need 10k+ in upgrades to be in comparison to a gen coupe.
Even if you just wanted to swap a ej thats 3k for an engine 2k for a swap.
Then your out a new engine and bought a huge ass shell.

You (and those like you) keep MISSING THE WHOLE F$%^ING POINT of this car, despite endless posts addressing this misconception. IT IS NOT INTENDED TO COMPETE OR COMPARE with the likes of a GC, it serves a very different primary purpose as a "pure" sports car. Your implicit attempt to compare it to a GC is similar to arguing that a Boxster competes/compares with an Audi S4. Yes the latter is a good handling and lively sports sedan but it is NOT a sports car, and the two feel very different when behind the wheel and address largely differing needs/desires.

A true sports car with GC-class acceleration is just not viable at this price point, you'd need to go north of $30k to find one (370Z), and even that car probably does not handle as well as the ToSubie.

[(K)]

The FR-S costs almost $25k? I could get a used GranTurismo for $50 more!

[Sport-Tech]

Originally Posted by Kimah

Got the price for the GT here in Norway today.
Around 78100$!!

Very interesting, hopefully we will get the Canadian price as well then. Gotta keep hitting that F5 key!

[titusdrake]

Originally Posted by Scion FR-S

Someone's been up too late and spent way too much time on this thread, all over the map...

lol indeed sir. though you mis quoted me..i mean its still worth paying that much, but Scion is definitely milking us because they can..but it is the first year of the car and they've spent a lot of money getting to this point, so they want to make some money on it obviously, perhaps later years will see a slight price drop by Scion if no serious improvements are made to the car

[titusdrake]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I understand your view, sort of, but I'm introduced by my friends as "the guy that drives his car until they don't make parts for it any more".

My current DD has 288K+ miles on it. Since it went out of warranty in 2002 because of mileage I have spent exactly $2,342.76 on non-maintenance repairs. So, an average of $234.28 a year doesn't exactly a new car payment justify. (By the way, this a Chevy Astro, not some precision made German machine).

Doing a quick count, I've owned 6 new warrantied cars over 3 decades. Of those, none had a major repair during the warranty period. Sure, they had some minor trim repairs that sort of thing, but it was all stuff I either wouldn't have had done out of warranty, or I would have done myself.

During that same time, I've also owned a lot of used cars (including the above mentioned Astro that was purchased while still under warranty but with 16K miles on it at a substantial discount off new). None of them ever cost me more than $1,500 a year in repairs, and as far as I can remember none required repairs in the first year of ownership.*

My rule is once a car costs me either 1) in one repair more to repair than the Repair+Unrepaired Cost than the car is worth, or 2) repairs in one year exceed the value of the vehicle I start looking for a new car.

(*I'm excluding the the first group of $300 cars from that statement and the Ferrari since I only owned it for 2 days and never really drove it )

I'm currently driving a 120,000 mile 06 mazda speed6 AWD turbo and the warning signs are here for LOTS of incoming repairs..but yea my moms Honda Odyssey is now 11 years old and all we've done is replace the tranny twice under warranty and regular maintenance..with my earlier statement i was referring to used performance cars

[titusdrake]

Originally Posted by Scion FR-S

You (and those like you) keep MISSING THE WHOLE F$%^ING POINT of this car, despite endless posts addressing this misconception. IT IS NOT INTENDED TO COMPETE OR COMPARE with the likes of a GC, it serves a very different primary purpose as a "pure" sports car. Your implicit attempt to compare it to a GC is similar to arguing that a Boxster competes/compares with an Audi S4. Yes the latter is a good handling and lively sports sedan but it is NOT a sports car, and the two feel very different when behind the wheel and address largely differing needs/desires.

as far as the "sports car" i agree, the FR-S feels fantastic to drive and thats what counts, u can sit on forums all day discussing this car and that car and this car has better numbers for the same price, but when it comes down to it buy which car makes you FEEL the best. you know what i mean?

[Calum]

Originally Posted by Deslock

If only someone had answered that in this thread or elsewhere...

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?p=161790
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4328
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4330
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4339
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4348

D'oh. my bad.

[Sport-Tech]

Originally Posted by Enemies

You have to remember that a lot of those cars and prices were released when the Canadian dollar was worth less than the American dollar. Now that it's worth more hopefully the price won't be an 8% or more difference. I'm not expecting parity but it would be nice if they threw us a bone.

I'm also hoping Subaru is a little smarter in it's pricing strategy for Canada considering I think a lot of people are going to jump ship from Subaru to Scion if Canadians are charged a hefty difference for living above an invisible line and having fancier looking money.

See this thread for an estimate of CDN pricing given the known US price. I would not hold my breath on the BRZ being marked up less than the 30%+ the WRX/STI are - how would Subie Canada explain the resultant huge disparity in markups to their non-BRZ customers? It would just piss them off and drive them away.

[tachi1247]

Originally Posted by Jayvelliott

AGREED! if its as good as you say it is...but i remember the last time i drove a 2010 model and it was suppose to be 300hp ...that thing felt like a pos honda civic...hoping the exterior improvements match the engineering improvements....

other then that $25k for a scion frs! haha HELLO...pre-owned bmw 335i coupe

jeremy out...

Originally Posted by Scion FR-S

You (and those like you) keep MISSING THE WHOLE F$%^ING POINT of this car, despite endless posts addressing this misconception. IT IS NOT INTENDED TO COMPETE OR COMPARE with the likes of a GC, it serves a very different primary purpose as a "pure" sports car. Your implicit attempt to compare it to a GC is similar to arguing that a Boxster competes/compares with an Audi S4. Yes the latter is a good handling and lively sports sedan but it is NOT a sports car, and the two feel very different when behind the wheel and address largely differing needs/desires.

A true sports car with GC-class acceleration is just not viable at this price point, you'd need to go north of $30k to find one (370Z), and even that car probably does not handle as well as the ToSubie.

Hate to break it to you but the gc is definitely a sports car. The s4 is a sports sedan and does hit a different demographic, but the gc, v6 mustang, etc are all sports cars that are direct competition for the frs and brz.

Perhaps it is you that is missing the point. Quit spending so much effort trying to hold this car up on this pedestal you've created and take a step back and be objective.

In the end, nearly all the buyers of this car aren't going to be able to notice any of the jandling differences between this car and a 370z or gc during anything but on track driving which a vast majority of these cars will never see.