Frs vs s2000

[vangisback]

Originally Posted by Nu_era

Back in topic for me this is pretty much my opinion in the States of S2000's. I went looking for one before getting the FRS. 2006 and up they want to much money but anything prior is beat up. I know Hondas can have tremendous value but they seem almost 240 rough. If you know what I mean. Those cars are non existent in proper shape.

You're kidding me, right? You talk ask if 99% of S2000 owners are little Honda Civic kids. When I was still living in AZ, 99% of S2000 owners are old white dudes who do NOT mod or race. You are probably wanting to spend Civic money for an S2000 and wondering where all the good ones are at. Be realistic.

I could find you a hundred pre-2006 S2000's for sale that are stock and in great condition.

[Nu_era]

Haha Civic money. You're kidding me. I was not looking for a salvage S2000 or some POS. You're right about being older people who own some of them, but they are most likely owners of the 2006 and up. I never said "Honda Civic kids" own them but I saw plenty of listings for sub par ones. The several USED S2000s I saw, I didn't like. Ended up with the FR-S. Both great cars and I'm happy with the result.

[WolfpackS2k]

2005 S2000 w/ 104k miles - $14,000
http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/1080...erstone-s2000/

2001 w/156k miles - $8500
http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/1079...imi-valley-ca/

2007 w/56k miles - $20k
http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/9807...000-57k-miles/
(I know this guy btw)

2000 w/147k miles - $10,500
http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/1081...arolina-10500/

Plenty of S2000s available, in good shape. Just gotta know where to look.

[Nu_era]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

2005 S2000 w/ 104k miles - $14,000
http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/1080...erstone-s2000/

2001 w/156k miles - $8500
http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/1079...imi-valley-ca/

2007 w/56k miles - $20k
http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/9807...000-57k-miles/
(I know this guy btw)

2000 w/147k miles - $10,500
http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/1081...arolina-10500/

Plenty of S2000s available, in good shape. Just gotta know where to look.

Several great finds. That black 01 is a great find. When I found S2000s in AZ for less than 15k they usually has rips in the roof, blue/red interior, and/or non desired (no yellow or light blue for me). I wish I had better luck looking but the ones in prestine shape usually go in the 20s which to be honest I was not going to pay over that for a used soft top convertible.

[Sideways&Smiling]

It's not that hard to find a good S2000 for a reasonable price. They are excellent cars.... better than the 86 in many (most) ways, IMO. They seem to be getting more and more respect as time goes on & people start realizing how much of a bargain they are for what you get. Sure, they aren't the fastest thing you can get for the price when you look at other options (used FD RX7, anyone?), but they are quick , very reliable, and have incredible steering and handling, and if you're willing to buy and install a supercharger or turbo, power is no longer an issue. 400whp is easily attainable on a stock, unopened motor, while remaining extremely reliable and easy to drive. Beyond that, you need to address the diff and transmission if you want them to not break, but if you do you can have upwards of 700-800hp in one of the best handling cars available! The S2000 is no joke.

[WolfpackS2k]

Nu era, I would still think you made the right choice. You already have the Supra for weekend enjoyment, so for daily driving duty an FRS is a better option than an S2000.

FYI the best place to buy an S2000 is in California, prices should be lower since a very large amount were sold in that state.

/stating the obvious

[w00t692]

I wouldn't buy an s2k with 150k mile miles on it for more than 8k. You've gotta think ahead with an s2k at that mileage. Due to the high strung engine there are not a whole lot of 200k mile s2000's. There is a 200k owners club on s2ki and truly it's not that many people It's the rpms and the cylinder walls that make them not tend to last as long as other honda engines. And s2k drives around at nearly 4k rpms at 80 mph, 3500 at typical highway speeds.

[iLuveKetchup]

You won't see many high mileage s2ks because most (not until recently when the civic crowd got their hands on them) were used as weekend / secondary cars.

[WolfpackS2k]

^Exactly. Most people don't use an S2000 as a DD, and thus it takes a long time to accumulate such high mileage.

Originally Posted by w00t692

I wouldn't buy an s2k with 150k mile miles on it for more than 8k. You've gotta think ahead with an s2k at that mileage. Due to the high strung engine there are not a whole lot of 200k mile s2000's. There is a 200k owners club on s2ki and truly it's not that many people It's the rpms and the cylinder walls that make them not tend to last as long as other honda engines. And s2k drives around at nearly 4k rpms at 80 mph, 3500 at typical highway speeds.

I don't have directly comparable evidence, but I do have a very similar case as evidence to disagree with most of your statement. For the last 15 years I've owned an Integra GS-R. Purchased her in May '99 with 135k miles for $5500. The engine's redline is 8000 (same as FC22) and anything above 73-74 mph pushes the engine over 4000 rpm. 85-90 mph? Over 5000 rpm. And yet now my GS-R has 305k miles with the engine still in tip top shape. Never had any internal engine work - everything is as it was at the factory. Doesn't burn any oil (other than the typical VTEC "smoke") and gets fantastic gas mileage. It's EPA rating is 21/26, yet I average 24/31. This indicates a very healthy engine. I've done everything with this with car. 4 seasons of Autox, 1 track event, 1 rallyX event, and several test and tune sessions at Rockingham dragway. Multiple clutch drops from 6-7000rpm. I've accidentally driven the car over 1000 miles without an engine air filter (fell off unbeknownst to me) and the engine has shut off twice from accidental ingestion of standing water. I've gotten the vehicle airborne on and off road. I've run the car at a steady 110 mph for 10-15 minutes. The GS-R endured 3 years living in NYC.

I'd have complete faith in the drivetrain of a (well cared for) S2000 with 150k miles.

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

^Exactly. Most people don't use an S2000 as a DD, and thus it takes a long time to accumulate such high mileage.



I don't have directly comparable evidence, but I do have a very similar case as evidence to disagree with most of your statement. For the last 15 years I've owned an Integra GS-R. Purchased her in May '99 with 135k miles for $5500. The engine's redline is 8000 (same as FC22) and anything above 73-74 mph pushes the engine over 4000 rpm. 85-90 mph? Over 5000 rpm. And yet now my GS-R has 305k miles with the engine still in tip top shape. Never had any internal engine work - everything is as it was at the factory. Doesn't burn any oil (other than the typical VTEC "smoke") and gets fantastic gas mileage. It's EPA rating is 21/26, yet I average 24/31. This indicates a very healthy engine. I've done everything with this with car. 4 seasons of Autox, 1 track event, 1 rallyX event, and several test and tune sessions at Rockingham dragway. Multiple clutch drops from 6-7000rpm. I've accidentally driven the car over 1000 miles without an engine air filter (fell off unbeknownst to me) and the engine has shut off twice from accidental ingestion of standing water. I've gotten the vehicle airborne on and off road. I've run the car at a steady 110 mph for 10-15 minutes. The GS-R endured 3 years living in NYC.

I'd have complete faith in the drivetrain of a (well cared for) S2000 with 150k miles.

Agreed. The fact that it revs higher means nothing. It's built to withstand it. That's the way it was designed...

[w00t692]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

^Exactly. Most people don't use an S2000 as a DD, and thus it takes a long time to accumulate such high mileage.



I don't have directly comparable evidence, but I do have a very similar case as evidence to disagree with most of your statement. For the last 15 years I've owned an Integra GS-R. Purchased her in May '99 with 135k miles for $5500. The engine's redline is 8000 (same as FC22) and anything above 73-74 mph pushes the engine over 4000 rpm. 85-90 mph? Over 5000 rpm. And yet now my GS-R has 305k miles with the engine still in tip top shape. Never had any internal engine work - everything is as it was at the factory. Doesn't burn any oil (other than the typical VTEC "smoke") and gets fantastic gas mileage. It's EPA rating is 21/26, yet I average 24/31. This indicates a very healthy engine. I've done everything with this with car. 4 seasons of Autox, 1 track event, 1 rallyX event, and several test and tune sessions at Rockingham dragway. Multiple clutch drops from 6-7000rpm. I've accidentally driven the car over 1000 miles without an engine air filter (fell off unbeknownst to me) and the engine has shut off twice from accidental ingestion of standing water. I've gotten the vehicle airborne on and off road. I've run the car at a steady 110 mph for 10-15 minutes. The GS-R endured 3 years living in NYC.

I'd have complete faith in the drivetrain of a (well cared for) S2000 with 150k miles.

Does your gs-r have EXTREMELY tight piston clearances and frm cylinder bores?

Nope

I have answers to these questions and speculations generally. I'm not just saying it because. a gs-r will do 300k no problem. It might start smoking by then but it will do it. I'm not sure i can say that of an s2000, but we'll see i guess.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Nu era, I would still think you made the right choice. You already have the Supra for weekend enjoyment, so for daily driving duty an FRS is a better option than an S2000.

FYI the best place to buy an S2000 is in California, prices should be lower since a very large amount were sold in that state.

/stating the obvious

It's actually the exact opposite... they cost more in CA due to demand.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by w00t692

I wouldn't buy an s2k with 150k mile miles on it for more than 8k. You've gotta think ahead with an s2k at that mileage. Due to the high strung engine there are not a whole lot of 200k mile s2000's. There is a 200k owners club on s2ki and truly it's not that many people It's the rpms and the cylinder walls that make them not tend to last as long as other honda engines. And s2k drives around at nearly 4k rpms at 80 mph, 3500 at typical highway speeds.

Not sure if srs

I have a friend with over 300k on his original engine.

Mine is at 128k and counting, and I can guarantee you that I've had more use out of it than your average 150k car.

[w00t692]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Not sure if srs

I have a friend with over 300k on his original engine.

Mine is at 128k and counting, and I can guarantee you that I've had more use out of it than your average 150k car.

I dunno, i guess they're like any other honda, they really do have very tight piston to wall clearances and fiber reinforced metal cylinder bores though. similar to the H22's in the preludes. This combination doesn't necessarily make for longevity of the motors compression.

anyways, i guess 150k really isn't too bad especially if you're not driving it daily. You'd probably never even hit 200k if it's not a daily driver.