Subaru BRZ Owners Manual (PDF download)

[Draco-REX]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

S2000 guys autocross and track and use MTF in their AZ6 transmissions. I'd greatly prefer MTF. Did Subaru/Toyota really spec the cheapest synchro cones available?

I'll use what they suggest but I am curious as to their reasoning.

Even cars that require gear oil you can run other oils in (and I have in race cars before without issue), it's just noisy and if the components are junk, it'll shorten the lifespan.

I guess I will have to research gear oils now though.

Guess I'm getting a little hidebound in my graying years...

[scwewywabbit]

is it just me or are the auto climate control buttons confusing as crap?

[Marrk]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Why don't you thank the Great Socialist State of California instead? Why would a company (two of them, specifically) cater to that state any further than they already do? PZEV ULEV LEV HIFUCKYOU and all that shit already costs them a ton and California is not the world wide market.

Also thank you for the .pdfs, gentlemen.

Why don't thank the great Fascist State of America for EDR. Now, with this kind of Big Brother surveillance technology, insurance companies can download your driving and assess liability to you (deny your claim) in an accident, and LEOs can charge you with violations of the law (unsafe speed, etc.). You only have to be going 46 mph in a 45 mph zone to lose the case.

[oneday]

Most disappointing part to me:

Originally Posted by BRZ Manual

[regarding Automatic Transmission cars]When in manual mode, the gear will not change unless the select
lever or paddle shift levers are operated.
However, even when in manual mode, the gears will be automatically
changed in the following situations:
● When vehicle speed drops (downshift only).
● When engine oil temperature is high and engine speed rises close
to the red zone.

But, it makes my decision for me as to whether I was going to get the 6MT or the 6AT.

[oneday]

Originally Posted by Marrk

Why don't thank the great Fascist State of America for EDR. Now, with this kind of Big Brother surveillance technology, insurance companies can download your driving and assess liability to you (deny your claim) in an accident, and LEOs can charge you with violations of the law (unsafe speed, etc.). You only have to be going 46 mph in a 45 mph zone to lose the case.

So you only have to be actually doing something wrong to be proven negligent? Seems perfectly appropriate. [shrug]

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by oneday

Most disappointing part to me:



But, it makes my decision for me as to whether I was going to get the 6MT or the 6AT.

Maybe why they limited the 6AT cars to 2 or 3 laps for the media test drives.. interesting. I didn't even read the 6AT parts of the manual since I had no interest in the auto but that does kinda suck for anyone that intended on getting the 6AT and using it for DEs.

[Capt Canuck]

Originally Posted by Ryephile

FWIW, Auto-X is about as tough on the car as someone tying together a few fun on-ramps. It's not rough on the car like HPDEs, let alone endurance racing [i.e. The Nurburgring race the Gazoo FT86 competed in].

Well off topic I know, but...

Yes the brakes have to scrub off more speed, the tyres handle more stress, and the engine will be at max capacity longer at an HPDE, but versus the standing starts, dead stops, and artificial maneuvers in AutoX, AutoX always felt to me like it was harder on the car.

I guess I must drive like a little girl (no offense little girls) at HPDEs as in my mind I felt AutoX was less sympathetic to my car and nothing like enthusiastically using onramps.

I highlighted felt as obviously I have no actual data to back it up

[Dave-ROR]

Autocross is "harsher" but I think he meant the heat buildup from doing a 25 minute or more stint on the track. My oil temps (with a small cooler) easily hit 290-300+ degrees on a 90 degree day at the track.. in a very very short period of time, but they NEVER hit anywhere near that in autocrosses, even "long" courses.. Heat kills, which is what I think he meant. The endurance race car sees the same 290-300+ on anything from a 50 degree day to a 100 degree day for up to 24 hours at a time.

I agree that autocross feels more abusive and there is more driveline shock (well assuming you can drive half way smoothly on track) in autocross.

[Longhorn248]

Originally Posted by oneday

Most disappointing part to me:



But, it makes my decision for me as to whether I was going to get the 6MT or the 6AT.

It's an automatic gear box with "paddle shifters", what did you expect? In a $25k car I wouldn't expect the auto to do exactly what you tell it to do like a true paddle shift car would.

[oneday]

Originally Posted by Longhorn248

It's an automatic gear box with "paddle shifters", what did you expect? In a $25k car I wouldn't expect the auto to do exactly what you tell it to do like a true paddle shift car would.

Didn't "expect" anything...but was hopefully optimistic Toyota would have incorporated programming to allow holding gears in a specific (Sport) mode.

[DEC1]

Originally Posted by Draco-REX

Posted by Subaru of Keene.

Download full merged manual @ http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6856876/BRZ_Manual.pdf (thanks to ayau)

http://www.subaruofkeene.com/subaru-brz.htm
( .pdf links are at the bottom of the page.)

Many thanks to Mark at Subaru of Keene for doing this!

[Draco-REX]

Originally Posted by Ryephile

FWIW, Auto-X is about as tough on the car as someone tying together a few fun on-ramps. It's not rough on the car like HPDEs, let alone endurance racing [i.e. The Nurburgring race the Gazoo FT86 competed in].

It's true the AutoX won't be like an HPDE. But depending on the course, you can still reach temperatures that will lessen the effectiveness of lubricants. I see it all the time at RallyX events. I'm using Motul300 in my transmission and it will get notchier as the day goes on and the heat climbs. There are definitely enough loads on a car in AutoX and RallyX to make what fluids you use matter.

[ayau]

someone care to explain the whole gear lube vs mtf for the manual transmission? pros/cons? etc etc.

[Draco-REX]

Originally Posted by oneday

Most disappointing part to me:



But, it makes my decision for me as to whether I was going to get the 6MT or the 6AT.

They way I read it, it'll downshift automatically to keep the engine from stalling. And it will upshift automatically if it looks like the engine will overheat. (hence the oil temp part). Seems to me you can bounce it off the rev limiter for a little bit if needed.