Should i get manual or AT?

[zoomzoomers]

Originally Posted by YaX

It's a run-of-the-mill auto. It has a torque converter, bro. There will be a difference, but, as I said, who cares?

Personally, I don't care. But having done dyno pulls on two identical cars, one MT and the other AT there were hardly any discernable differences in the numbers. You could say your butt dyno could tell, but the numbers hardly could point out the differences. There could be more differences in a bad AT, but unless you're talking about a car from Detroit, AT's are no slouches these days. I got a dose of this driving my co-workers wife's new Toyota Camry SE. The AT in that family hauler is no slouch and it's not remotely a sports car or even a sporty one. Other than the poser slap on body kits/etc.

[mistax]

well i guess that answer my question. I've read through the other thread to, but i guess you can't really get an opinion it really just if you dont go MT on <insert sport car here> we'll flame you until you get one. There were 3-4 helpful post, but the rest was pretty much get Manual or get flamed. Probably why i couldn't get anything out of the other bajillion mt vs auto threads.

[NumbersGuy]

Originally Posted by mistax

well i guess that answer my question. I've read through the other thread to, but i guess you can't really get an opinion it really just if you dont go MT on <insert sport car here> we'll flame you until you get one. There were 3-4 helpful post, but the rest was pretty much get Manual or get flamed. Probably why i couldn't get anything out of the other bajillion mt vs auto threads.

That is why you never ask an opinion when it concerns your personal taste, lol!

I ordered a Dark Grey Metallic Limited AT, because that is what I wanted.

The two will be identical with nearly identical numbers. So get whatever you want, in the end, you will have a pretty freaking awesome car and that is all that matters!

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by mistax

well i guess that answer my question. I've read through the other thread to, but i guess you can't really get an opinion it really just if you dont go MT on <insert sport car here> we'll flame you until you get one. There were 3-4 helpful post, but the rest was pretty much get Manual or get flamed. Probably why i couldn't get anything out of the other bajillion mt vs auto threads.

And you think it would be any different with a 5th thread on the same topic?



Let's put this thread out of its misery.

[S2kphile]

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[Spaceywilly]

Originally Posted by mistax

well i guess that answer my question. I've read through the other thread to, but i guess you can't really get an opinion it really just if you dont go MT on <insert sport car here> we'll flame you until you get one. There were 3-4 helpful post, but the rest was pretty much get Manual or get flamed. Probably why i couldn't get anything out of the other bajillion mt vs auto threads.

What exactly do you expect people to say? It is like asking which color is the best one to get, everyone has their opinion but there is no right answer. Just drive an auto and then drive a manual. Choose which one you like best.

[armythug]

I believe that some people wouldn't mind buying the AT but are kind of afraid of not being socially accepted by the hardcore MT guys. At the end of the day, the people that will flame or talk down on you probably didn't help you buy your car. Nor will they be helping with your car payments. So do whatever you want and don't worry about what the next man thinks. If you are having doubts, test drive both. Even if you have to wait a while to get your car. Just do whats right for you. :happy0180:

[Abflug]

TESTDRIVE!

I drove a VW 7 speed DSG two days ago and I was really impressed by it and usually I only drive manual!

I will testdrive AT and MT GT86/ BRZ!!

at the end it depends on what suits you!

[Booey1979]

Test drive an auto, then buy a manual. That's what I did since I didn't know how to drive a 6 speed manual when I bought my car!

[Booey1979]

Originally Posted by armythug

I believe that some people wouldn't mind buying the AT but are kind of afraid of not being socially accepted by the hardcore MT guys. At the end of the day, the people that will flame or talk down on you probably didn't help you buy your car. Nor will they be helping with your car payments. So do whatever you want and don't worry about what the next man thinks. If you are having doubts, test drive both. Even if you have to wait a while to get your car. Just do whats right for you. :happy0180:

Dude who ever had the line of thinking needs serious self-esteem building. Who carEd what others feel. This isn't grade school. Yes I'm a biased MT guy but it's not like people are gonna be laughing. It's just AT is just more involving and rewarding.

[The Robot Cow]

Originally Posted by Booey1979

Oh please manual doesn't stop anyone from eating, be on the cell, drink coffee. Anyone saying that obviously doesn't drive a manual. Trust me, you find ways and adapt. I know I learned how to drive a 6-speed in my Z, and I adapted multi-tasking while driving manual.

There's just nothing as satisfying as going through a corner, rev-match by heel-toe (basically braking and blipping the throttle with ur right foot), then stabbing the clutch with the other foot, and then downshift to the lower gear. Fun shit!!!

I'm not gonna lie i do other thing now that im pretty solid with my car's shifting. Hell i've taught myself to shift with my left hand in case my right hand is busy lol. I love heel and toe downshifting and double clutching. Its awesome.

But back to the op's question at or mt? Me personally i'd only go for the mt. Its what ive been driving ever since i got my license. No shame in getting an at, but if you're worried about being bummed out cuz you didnt get the mt at first then why not get the mt?
If you cant drive it at first get a friend you really trust that knows how to drive mt or one of the salesmen might drive it for you? Just an idea.

[Palmy]

Originally Posted by mistax

I'm in the process of learning how to drive a manual since the brz,speed3, and gencoupe are all on my choice to get this upcoming summer and after lurking on this thread alot, it seems the general consensus is the brz/frs should be brought in manual to get the most out of it. =P please don't flame me i was just wondering what the extra things you can do with MT that you can't with AT. Was looking to get an AT since i want to use it as a daily driver to and i'm pretty lazy in the morning and stuff when i drive.

Absolutely nothing wrong with automatic transmissions, theyre perfectly suitable for the vast majority of cars and drivers. However, buying a "sports car" with an AT is like buying a cheeseburger without any meat.

Originally Posted by ashtray

Consider not driving if:
You drink coffee/soda while driving.
Eat a sandwich, taco, burger, etc while driving.
Hold hot items in your lap while driving.
Like to hold a cell phone while driving.

Fixed that for you.

[ChrisH]

Originally Posted by fatoni

i understand that this is actually fun but lets not say its safer. we give plenty of important aspects of a car to a computer. i dont see people complaining that we cant manually operate valve timing or fuel delivery. driving isnt about shifting or having to take your hands off of the steering wheel

It is at least safer, if you gonna drift, as it's up to you, when to open the clutch to interrupt the drift.
I recently joined a drift training, the course cars where BMW M3 with the automated double clutch gearbox DKG. If the drift angle got too wide it turned out to be difficult to catch the car's back by interrupting the drift - as you do not have control about the clutch. You can do nothing but lift the throttle. (However, I should mention, that the strange type of LSD in the M3 and maybe the tires may play a roll here, too.)


So coming back to the question asked in by the author of this thread:

Originally Posted by mistax

I'm in the process of learning how to drive a manual since the brz,speed3, and gencoupe are all on my choice to get this upcoming summer and after lurking on this thread alot, it seems the general consensus is the brz/frs should be brought in manual to get the most out of it. =P please don't flame me i was just wondering what the extra things you can do with MT that you can't with AT. Was looking to get an AT since i want to use it as a daily driver to and i'm pretty lazy in the morning and stuff when i drive.

What you can do with a MT is:

- Easily interrupt a drift by pressing the clutch
- By rev matching you control to avoid sudden engine brake torque causing the rear axle to loose grip in a corner, while shifting
- Prepare for a drift on snow by pulling the e-brake - which requires to press the clutch pedal)
- Have fun with double-clutching, rev-matching and all these sophisticated driving techniques.