Um guys? Scion's Own FT86 Coming to New York Show Next month?

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by Exage

Fair enough, you obviously know how to bargain down a vehicle much better then I do.

But surely Scion will have a little bit of room to negotiate though maybe not the same as Toyota. I personally don't know anyone who has bought a new Scion so I don't know how much give they have, I do however see where you're coming from and you're point in your previous post.

I going to go out on a limb and say I still believe the Scion can still be attained at a lower price then the Toyota with similar haggling (Scion may only give up a grand or two), am I not correct?

Originally Posted by Dimman

Other company that offered no haggle pricing: Saturn.

All this does is sets a middle ground price. Other way balances the price between what a good negotiator like RRnold pays, and what some gullible fool pays.

I don't see this as a plus.

Take the Tc for example; Google says MSRP for a 5spd is 17,100 and invoice is 16,245. There is no reason why you can't offer 16,245 or even lower especially since it's easier to find the invoice price online. Every item and package has it own invoice price which a lot of buyer are unaware of. That no-haggle pricing is a bunch of marketing b/s that I believe the consumer shouldn't be held accountable for.

I know Costco has an excellent car buying program. You choose the vehicle and they have the breakdown right then and there for everything. They'll locate one and get it at invoice or near it.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by NESW20

you must not be familiar with how capable those TRD trucks are off road, even when stock.

Fanboy much? This is a sports coupe dedicated site and if I cared about off-road trucks I would be on one of there sites. The point is TRD has never been on a Toyota sports car so bringing that up makes you look like a complete idiot. Also no real sports car lover cares about Nascar unless they think the idea of going around a oval 200 times is cool. You Toyota nut huggers need to get a grasp on reality and stop being so illogical.

Oh I just realize you own a Toyota truck. I was wondering how I struck a nerve.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

Fanboy much? This is a sports coupe dedicated site and if I cared about off-road trucks I would be on one of there sites. The point is TRD has never been on a Toyota sports car so bringing that up makes you look like a complete idiot. Also no real sports car lover cares about Nascar unless they think the idea of going around a oval 200 times is cool. You Toyota nut huggers need to get a grasp on reality and stop being so illogical.

Oh I just realize you own a Toyota truck. I was wondering how I struck a nerve.

TRD was on the Celica "action package"...in Canada at least.

[Giccin]

Originally Posted by RRnold

I got my 05 Tacoma at $200 above invoice. It's a 4dr double cab, automatic, V6, 4WD, Off Road Package and the Tow Package. The price with tax, DMV fees came out to 32K. Since I only applied for a 30K loan I didn't plan to go over that amount.

You gotta know what you are doing (know what the invoice price is for the car and the packages), stand your ground and know when to walk away. I went directly to LA since none of the San Diego dealerships didn't have the exact one I wanted.

I finally ended up closing the deal at Carson Toyota and signed the check for 28K OTD. I ended up talking to the Fleet Sales manager only b/c I didn't want to deal with the salesman anymore.

I think we should band together as a large group and go to dealerships and have you haggle for us.

Then we can all get the car at a nice low price with its features. :>

[xantonin]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

Fanboy much? This is a sports coupe dedicated site and if I cared about off-road trucks I would be on one of there sites. The point is TRD has never been on a Toyota sports car so bringing that up makes you look like a complete idiot.

http://www.mr2.com/TRD.html

http://www.toyotacelicaonline.com/trd.htm

http://www.seeing-stars.com/play/GrandPrix.shtml

http://www.toyotaracing.com/motorspo...b/history.html

http://www.suprastore.com/tosutrdpa.html

Pro/Celebrity:The Cars and the StarsFor 26 years, Toyota has annually sacrificed a few Celicas in the name of fun and philanthropy. It's called the Toyota Pro/Celebrity race, and it began in 1977 as a grudge match between female drivers and male motorsports writers.

Still run in conjunction with the Toyota Grand Prix of Long Beach, the Pro/Celebrity race has now generated more than one million dollars for charity and has become a staple of the Grand Prix experience for all who attend the event.

The race's success is due in part to the popularity of the stars who appear to shamelessly flog Celicas around the Grand Prix circuit. Film stars ranging from Clint Eastwood to Cameron Diaz have appeared, as have professional drivers like Dan Gurney and Bobby Unser.

Perhaps the biggest draw of the event are the accidents, which are sure to happen when 12 cars are handed to novice drivers with nothing to lose. Mix in four professionals and things get interesting in a hurry-like in 1999 when Donnie Osmond found himself hanging from the harnesses of his Celica.

The real stars are the folks who prepare the cars; without the constant building and rebuilding performed by Toyota Motorsports, there wouldn't be a Pro/Celebrity race. Marty Schwerter, Pro/Celebrity administrator, explains the approach Motorports takes in preparing the Celicas.

"We place emphasis on making the cars safe, reliable and equal," Schwerter says. "We want to give the cars the feel of a racecar with the forgiveness of a street car."

Pro/Celebrity Celicas have traditionally been prepared to the equivalent of showroom stock standards. Safety equipment gets first priority. After that, the upgrades are fairly basic. Suspension, wheels, tires and friction materials are all improved; drivetrains remain essentially stock.

Six generations of Celica have been beaten into submission by pros and novices alike around the unforgiving Long Beach circuit. Toyota Motorsports has been in charge of building and maintaining them for almost 10 years. New cars are built for every model cycle and old cars are refreshed every year. -Josh Jacquot

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

TRD was on the Celica "action package"...in Canada at least.

Yeah I know this, but TRD added a bodykit and wing to the celica in America with no real upgrade in performance but offered a higher price tag. It reminded me of the 31k Mugen Civic Si, you were better off with the regular Si to begin with at 21k.

[xantonin]

I didn't even mention the TRD Scion tC because I hate that car.

The point is TRD has never been on a Toyota sports car so bringing that up makes you look like a complete idiot.

I'd go on about how TRD makes a supercharger for the 2ZZ-GE engine that is used in the MR2 and Celica, and find more pictures and quote more texts, then turn back around your idiot comment to you and so on, but I find myself caring less and less.

Really there's no reason to bother calling you a complete idiot since a picture speaks a thousand words.

I'll just let you do a Google Image search for TRD and insult yourself.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by xantonin

http://www.mr2.com/TRD.html

http://www.toyotacelicaonline.com/trd.htm

http://www.seeing-stars.com/play/GrandPrix.shtml

http://www.toyotaracing.com/motorspo...b/history.html

http://www.suprastore.com/tosutrdpa.html

Show me a actual TRD Toyota with all around performance gains that was available for sale through a Toyota dealership.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by xantonin

I didn't even mention the TRD Scion tC because I hate that car.

I'd go on about how TRD makes a supercharger for the 2ZZ-GE engine that is used in the MR2 and Celica, and find more pictures and quote more texts, then turn back around your idiot comment to you and so on, but I find myself caring less and less.

Really there's no reason to bother calling you a complete idiot since a picture speaks a thousand words.

I'll just let you do a Google Image search for TRD and insult yourself.

Show me a RWD sports car from Toyota that was available for sale at the dealership with TRD badges.

[xantonin]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

Show me a actual TRD Toyota with all around performance gains that was available for sale through a Toyota dealership.

Why? Do your own damn research.

And secondly, I don't care about a car available with TRD parts from a Toyota dealership, my point was the TRD being after market. This was something you came up with.

I notice how you specifically state Toyota, which would exclude Scion.

The point is that the FT-86 would give Toyota a reason to MAKE a TRD FT-86 with "an actual TRD Toyota with all around performance gains that was available for sale through a Toyota dealership".

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by xantonin

Why? Do your own damn research.

And secondly, I don't care about a car available with TRD parts from a Toyota dealership, my point was the TRD being after market. This was something you came up with.

I notice how you specifically state Toyota, which would exclude Scion.

The point is that the FT-86 would give Toyota a reason to MAKE a TRD FT-86 with "an actual TRD Toyota with all around performance gains that was available for sale through a Toyota dealership".

I want you to read this quote from C&D.



That improvement in at-limit behavior doesn't, however, mean that the limits themselves have expanded. Despite bigger tires and thicker bars, the TRD Celica only matched our last GT-S's 0.86-g skidpad orbit. Getting the most of the chassis changes on the track probably means adopting beefier rubber than this car's modest upgrade.On the road, there's notably more noise transmitted from the tires into the cabin than stock. That's not surprising, given the harsher springs and harder bushings, and it's just irritating enough that the sound could be maddening during daily commutes. The exhaust system adds to the cacophony, and the change in air filters is, we assume, responsible for the more pronounced octave shift as the VVTL-i variable valve timing kicks in at about 6000 rpm.
But although the exhaust and the intake change the sound of the Celica, there's nothing to indicate that they make it quicker. The TRD car's 7.5-second 0-to-60-mph clocking is 0.3 second slower than the last stock machine we tested, and the TRD's quarter-mile time of 15.7 seconds at 92 mph is 2 mph slower. There's no reason TRD's changes should have made the car much faster, but they shouldn't have slowed it down. We can only guess at the reasons for this small disparity.



http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...gt-s-road_test

[xantonin]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

Show me a RWD sports car from Toyota that was available for sale at the dealership with TRD badges.

Show me your mother in a bikini.

No I'm done with your games. You keep changing your story each time you're proven wrong.

Either get it straight the first time, or stop posting and quit telling other people what to do.

[xantonin]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

I want you to read this quote from C&D.



That improvement in at-limit behavior doesn't, however, mean that the limits themselves have expanded. Despite bigger tires and thicker bars, the TRD Celica only matched our last GT-S's 0.86-g skidpad orbit. Getting the most of the chassis changes on the track probably means adopting beefier rubber than this car's modest upgrade.On the road, there's notably more noise transmitted from the tires into the cabin than stock. That's not surprising, given the harsher springs and harder bushings, and it's just irritating enough that the sound could be maddening during daily commutes. The exhaust system adds to the cacophony, and the change in air filters is, we assume, responsible for the more pronounced octave shift as the VVTL-i variable valve timing kicks in at about 6000 rpm.
But although the exhaust and the intake change the sound of the Celica, there's nothing to indicate that they make it quicker. The TRD car's 7.5-second 0-to-60-mph clocking is 0.3 second slower than the last stock machine we tested, and the TRD's quarter-mile time of 15.7 seconds at 92 mph is 2 mph slower. There's no reason TRD's changes should have made the car much faster, but they shouldn't have slowed it down. We can only guess at the reasons for this small disparity.



http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...gt-s-road_test

Oh look you learned how to do your own research. Although I get the feeling you only found that article to counter my single claim about the Celica versus everything else I said because you think I'm insecure about the car I drive so that you can attack me personally the same way you did NESW20.

Congratulations. What's your point?

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by xantonin

Oh look you learned how to do your own research. Although I get the feeling you only found that article to counter my single claim about the Celica versus everything else I said because you think I'm insecure about the car I drive so that you can attack me personally the same way you did NESW20.

Congratulations. What's your point?

I never attacked your car, I actually like the celica.