F/I Blowing motors facts

[mrk1]

[go_a_way1]

LMAO You guys need to post these memes in my meme thread please hahahaha!!

[FRS Justin]

Originally Posted by Yoda

I read this thread when there were no replies and I thought good please let it die. Now four pages later I find people being trolled. Let it die the information he is proving is not accurate and we all know this.

Please educate us on how this is not accurate

[FRS Justin]

Originally Posted by go_a_way1

LMAO You guys need to post these memes in my meme thread please hahahaha!!

Its all in fun lol no hard feelings here..

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by FRS Justin

Its all in fun lol no hard feelings here..

Sounds like your claim of "me setting records" is solely intended to have you feeling hard...

[go_a_way1]

Originally Posted by FRS Justin

Its all in fun lol no hard feelings here..

Thats what the meme thread is all about haha, all in good fun

[Toyarzee]

Originally Posted by FRS Justin

I m sure you do ok doing what you do but your definitely no front runner.

I'm sure I'll regret chiming in, but here goes nothing... justin, you've had some informative and thoughtful posts and threads on this forum. And this thread was not much of an exception as your intentions are to be helpful and disperse some here-say and false or rumored perceptions regarding the FA20 and the dynamics of tuning on this platform.

However, you're becoming a bit defensive in your own thread and reaching to call out a member who has done more research and testing of his "theories" and put them to test at the track than most others on this forum. While I understand where you're coming from, don't forget who you're posting about and perhaps stay a bit more on track. Not many here have more experience dissecting the fa20, fabricating parts, conducting on street and on track testing, along with collecting empirical data that you can actually reproduce. Some of these replies inherently qualify your own assertions with contradicting examples on either end of the inconsistent spectrum of blown motors. If there were provided dyno sheets, diagrams of failed and or upgraded components, any videos, etc, we may have all been more reserved and less forthcoming with arguments on this thread.

We've all seen the same forum threads about blown motors you have, including this inconclusive and summarizing generalization of a thread, so I'm not sure what any of this proved...

What part of needing to upgrade bottom end components for any motor to sustain increased stress in a reliable fashion is news without talking hard facts and numbers? I'm still genuinely curious what characteristics of this motors connecting rods, in your experience, make it more of a liability and which replacements are you suggesting for which applications?

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by FRS Justin

lol

Free parts? I'll take free parts.

Everything on that car is purchased, not sponsored/free. You're welcome to call every company on that list to verify yourself.

In order of the stickers on that car:

Church Automotive Testing
Essex (AP Racing)
Jackson Racing
SPL Pro Parts
Tein
TWS
West End

[Toyarzee]

Mike, don't argue, just take some of those free SRC'S and send them my way so I can put them to better use. And would you please learn to drive faster, if you're always last, you'll spoil the good standing name of the gt86...

[Deep Six]

I'm not sure if anyone has identified the magic number that determines the need for forged internals. I think we all agree that forced induction creates additional stress as does countless upper rpm hours typical with track use. Eventually things break.


My plan for sustaining a forced induction setup with frequent track use is simple:


I have a high boost JR system ordered, which will be flex fuel tuned. Track days are exclusively E85 and I plan to have the rev limiter lowered to 7K for the primary map. At the moment I am at 8K for 3&4gear na. Of course there will be a second map with higher rev limits for those times when you just have to say WTF.

[FRS Justin]

Originally Posted by Toyarzee

I'm sure I'll regret chiming in, but here goes nothing... justin, you've had some informative and thoughtful posts and threads on this forum. And this thread was not much of an exception as your intentions are to be helpful and disperse some here-say and false or rumored perceptions regarding the FA20 and the dynamics of tuning on this platform.

However, you're becoming a bit defensive in your own thread and reaching to call out a member who has done more research and testing of his "theories" and put them to test at the track than most others on this forum. While I understand where you're coming from, don't forget who you're posting about and perhaps stay a bit more on track. Not many here have more experience dissecting the fa20, fabricating parts, conducting on street and on track testing, along with collecting empirical data that you can actually reproduce. Some of these replies inherently qualify your own assertions with contradicting examples on either end of the inconsistent spectrum of blown motors. If there were provided dyno sheets, diagrams of failed and or upgraded components, any videos, etc, we may have all been more reserved and less forthcoming with arguments on this thread.

We've all seen the same forum threads about blown motors you have, including this inconclusive and summarizing generalization of a thread, so I'm not sure what any of this proved...

What part of needing to upgrade bottom end components for any motor to sustain increased stress in a reliable fashion is news without talking hard facts and numbers? I'm still genuinely curious what characteristics of this motors connecting rods, in your experience, make it more of a liability and which replacements are you suggesting for which applications?

Your right I did get defensive and here is why, My whole post was my opinion, read it, it says my opinion. Yet some people want to tell me I'm wrong and I don't have very much knowledge on this platform and it shows. It's upsetting. Especially when you can read my post and then try to twist it to look smart.. Well that sure didn't work and the butt hurt begins.
Some People get on here and blame everyone but themselves for there blown motor its sad some don't take responsibility for being cheap and rolling the dice. What's even sadder is the clique rolling over and trying to defend it. Their are new people on here everyday looking for answers and advice. Some are thankful some want to argue it's simple show me where I'm wrong. I can admit when I'm wrong but no one has came forth with data and tried it. They just think people should believe them on merit. Doesn't work that way. At least I show where I'm coming from in the original post. I have raced some of the fastest FRS/BRZ out there on a N/A motor 1/4 mile. And no one is even close to me here in the USA to this moment. The fastest people N/A are From P.R. and its only a 1/10th of a second faster than me. I've have put in my work no one can deny that.
I spent countless hours of research building the FA20 I helped redesign a set of sleeves that are made by L.A Sleeve. No one on this forum knew anything about or at least didn't post about the longer valves in late model engines, GSC didn't even know about and made me a custom set and put them into production. And don't even mention any other valvetrain companies because I checked and they didn't make them either so I waited .Pushed 644hp at 29PSI and 521tq I believe. (dyno sheet not in front of me) And now I'm working on 2 new products for the FA20 to make 35 or more psi of boost and live. All these people on here talking smack need to put up or shut up because running your mouth and not bringing anything to the table is lame!! So bottom line is you don't have to agree with my opinion and what I think is safe go ahead and push the stock rods but don't blame the tuners for your mistake. Go ahead believe in the 300hp N/A Unicorn motor that no one has seen but please explain why you would run F/I if the same results can be gotten N/A.
Toyarzee I applaud you for your well written and well received message thank you. I will gladly help you anyway I can.

[FRS Justin]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Free parts? I'll take free parts.

Everything on that car is purchased, not sponsored/free. You're welcome to call every company on that list to verify yourself.

In order of the stickers on that car:

Church Automotive Testing
Essex (AP Racing)
Jackson Racing
SPL Pro Parts
Tein
TWS
West End

I stand corrected and removed the post. My apologies please feel free to delete your quote and it will all be gone

[FRS Justin]

Originally Posted by Toyarzee

Mike, don't argue, just take some of those free SRC'S and send them my way so I can put them to better use. And would you please learn to drive faster, if you're always last, you'll spoil the good standing name of the gt86...

Might be last but I am willing to move him to mid pack

[Toyarzee]

To somewhat bring this back on track, I was told over the weekend by a somewhat reputable tuner that you shouldn't run e85 on stock internals. Now if it were put into the context that I would be upping boost beyond a threshold simply because of the detonation reduction qualities of a high grade e85, maybe I'd understand. But why would you need forged pistons and rods to run e85 on a boosted application for any motor if the boost would have otherwise worked well on 91?

Edit: under assumption that fuel delivery is more than covered