MSN.com hating on the twins!

[Demandred7]

The FR-S definitely looks faster than it is. Slow - it is not. Of course a lot of how fast you think it is has to do with other cars that you have driven. This is just my experience.

On a positive note, it is one of the fastest in the sideshow.

[rubberband]

The twins are sheep in wolves' clothing. I think everyone knows that. I just wish they came with a well-engineered oil cooler or something stock so that they were actually track/autox ready. You know, the way they've been marketed.


They are awesomely fun daily drivers, though.

[Koa]

Originally Posted by themadscientist

I was reading a piece on the marketing strategy stateside on the cars and they have really screwed this up. You have a great platform, easily the most balanced car off the showroom floor I have ever driven, and some dipshit wants to sell it like a Camaro. Couple that with dealers who similarly have no idea what the product is and talk at their customers rather than listen to what matters to them and the sales figures are actually astonishing as they come DESPITE the marketing.

Both the dealers I worked with owned BRZs themselves. Both were as excited as I was about the car and happy to let me sit in it and discuss their philosophies on the car. They were themselves fans of the car and driving enthusiasts and that made it even easier to decide to buy the car. Unlike some, I knew what the car was and that's what I was after. When my buddies asked me about my day long test drive of the rental I summed it up thus. "I don't have to change a damned thing. Subaru built ME a car."

well said chap, hope the rest of the process goes smooth for you! Once you get yours, you may soon find that this isn't a holistic end-all platform... there's plenty of room for improvement. Having to and wanting to are definitely in their own realistic arenas

But I agree with you for the most part- the only thing in my mind I >had< to change was the clutch screw adjustment. After that, it was damn close to perfect imo as far as RWD sub 50k sportscar category is concerned. (that bottomless chasm of a wheel gap and on terrible stocker tires, though.... guess what changed shortly after )

[Koa]

Originally Posted by rubberband

The twins are sheep in wolves' clothing. I think everyone knows that. I just wish they came with a well-engineered oil cooler or something stock so that they were actually track/autox ready. You know, the way they've been marketed.


They are awesomely fun daily drivers, though.

To save money and r&d time, they could have just threw on Forester XT oil coolers. But at the end of the day, we actually save money by being able to buy those on the wholesale discount and spend the hour or so putting it on ourselves

[djmm]

I looked at M5 and some 328i and must say those cars are sweet. It feels nice when you sit in it, driving position feels good, interior feels good, didn't test drive it but pretty sure it handles well.

Made me wanted to buy it. Didn't have the same feeling with Audi.

[themadscientist]

Originally Posted by rubberband

I just wish they came with a well-engineered oil cooler or something stock so that they were actually track/autox ready. You know, the way they've been marketed.

They do, just not stateside. A hair cheaper than the top level model and you get an oil cooler, tow hooks, brake ducts of a sort, 4 point harness and a roll cage with cutout floor mats and disabled side air bags on steelies.

http://www.subaru.jp/brz/raracing/

http://toyota.jp/customize/86/racing/equipment.html

I'll probably chane the wheels purely for the aesthetic. The stock ones, even the 17s are not just too narrow, their ugly. Top notch head unit to plug into the six speaker system in the S and to display the torque app for me and big ole oil cooler. I'm done. As things begin to exhibit weakness I'll address them, but at this point I don't have anything else on the to do list. The smaller slave cylinder idea another member came up with seems like the fix to the vague clutch, but honestly, I go used to it pretty quick.

[Koa]

Originally Posted by themadscientist

They do, just not stateside. A hair cheaper than the top level model and you get an oil cooler, tow hooks, brake ducts of a sort, 4 point harness and a roll cage with cutout floor mats and disabled side air bags on steelies.

http://www.subaru.jp/brz/raracing/

http://toyota.jp/customize/86/racing/equipment.html

sexy af

[chaoskaze]

Originally Posted by abraxis

This is amazing lol

[themadscientist]

They were more amazing when they were as fast as they looked.

[daiheadjai]

Originally Posted by Defuser

I agree with this, traffic is a social equalizer. I go just as fast as a Lambo when I'm stuck in traffic. I get frustrated sitting bumper-to-bumper in my FRS, I can't imagine how much more frustrating it must be behind the wheel of a supercar. All that power, nowhere to go...

I'd go insane if I drove a super car in Toronto traffic.
As it is, the BRZ is always raring to go - the moment there's a break in traffic or an empty off ramp/on ramp, it's fun time.

[themadscientist]

The BRZ is a college chick. It's up for anything.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by themadscientist

The BRZ is a college chick. It's up for anything.

Oh great, most of the collage chicks I knew wound up broken and puking on the bathroom floor every weekend!

[themadscientist]

They need oil coolers and an ECU flash.

[Mr.Impreza]

Originally Posted by fang_gt86

If I can afford/own an exotic/supercar, you think I'd care much about how much gas my car use?

Yes you would, because most people who are rich are smart about there money. They didn't throw money left and right and got rich. Many people with that much money may seem like they don't care about money, but trust me, they do. The ones who don't care about money are the ones who are broke every paycheck because they spent it on video games, bars, designer clothes etc...

Unless you print money you need to be smart about it

"...someone could be driving a old car but have a house paid off, money in the bank and have more disposable money than someone driving a merc who is in debt."