Report: 6000 BRZ coupes for 2013 model year!

[86fanatic]

Originally Posted by dsgerbc

Doubt it, those who worry about Camry probably won't buy them to begin with. However, I'm sure there will be some who try to sell their new cars at a premium
Some might even succeed if the car turns out to be as good as magazine reviewers say and waitlists at dealers explode.

I don't know about that. It's pretty common for first year early adopters, and the ones who can afford to pay premiums, to have a pretty bad case of car ADD. I wouldn't be surprised to see used examples popping up here and there after a couple months.

Especially considering the car is being developed for a basically unproven niche, I suspect many will buy the car on hype alone without understanding the purpose and consequently aren't able to enjoy it. Happens to all new sports cars, this one will be no different.

[Zgrinch]

Originally Posted by Oriental Life

Have you considered that both Subaru and Toyota could loose money on this car and sell it (at least in NA) for less than they spent building it?

Just brining into perspective - this car holds emotional value to no less, Akio Toyoda. Thus limited production, thus no pricing for so long, thus unusual trim options, thus (I want to say) cancelled\delayed Scion model

I put my bet on the fact that this care will remain rare over the next 3-5 years. I'll not be surprised if Toyota\Subaru will get into a big fight over it and will cancel it all together after a short period of time. Bring it on!

Define rare in terms of yearly US BRZ production numbers:
Year 1 6,000 estimated.
Year 2 ________ (fill in the blank)
Year 3 ________ (fill in the blank)
Year 4 ________ (fill in the blank)
Year 5 ________ (fill in the blank)

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by 86fanatic

after a couple months.

Sure, some will pop up, but I think the point is to add those ADD sellers to the total, which makes sense if the car's a flop. Otherwise there will be more people with ADD who'll want to buy it slightly used above MSRP, making them less affordable then waiting for a new one. I wouldn't add those to the total.

[Oriental Life]

Originally Posted by 86fanatic

Especially considering the car is being developed for a basically unproven niche

Unproven. Right... Porsche 911, 944, Aston Martin DB5-9(S), Jaguar XK8(R), Ford Sierra RS Cosworth coupe, Datsun 240Z, Fiat 124 Coupe and Sport Spider, any other sporty 4-seater coupe that is not a Hyundai or Scion

[ashtray]

Btw, 6k units in a year? For reference, they built about 3,500 "M" Edition Miatas each year from '94-97. Thats nearly 20 years ago. Do you know how often an M Edition Miata comes up for sale? Pretty often. (note: carfax lists every Miata as an M, leading to a lot of confusion in sales listing by dealers - half are actually M's)

They made 1,500 STO Model Miatas, total, and only in 1997. I was able to find one to buy used 10 years later within an hour from my house. I've seen two others driving around my town.

So 6,000 BRZ built in the first year - if they stop after year 1, you'll still be able to find them for sale used 10 years from now, though selection may be poor and finding an unmodified one or low mileage one could take patience.

[Oriental Life]

Originally Posted by Zgrinch

Define rare in terms of yearly US BRZ production numbers:
Year 1 6,000 estimated.
Year 2 ________ (fill in the blank)
Year 3 ________ (fill in the blank)
Year 4 ________ (fill in the blank)
Year 5 ________ (fill in the blank)

Do I look like I have a crystal ball? Listen, BRZ/FT-86 is unique in itself, since they are trying to re-enter niche currently occupied by 50K+ cars. Who said they will succeed globally, not just in US? There could be millions of reasons for Subie/Toyota to build this car: to revive stagnating Toyota or smart moves by Subbie (small, but ambitious. Doesn't need this car, but 'what the hell, why not - its your money, but we'll keep our know-how').

Either way, this car is important and for true car enthusiast it will never fail regardless of the production numbers. I'd say, the fewer, the better in terms of value in the future. They can easily recoupe all their R&D with only JDM sales and Japanese commitment to 'legacy', and then fail globally. It doesn't matter anyway. This car is a statement and they've achieved their goal already. Thus my post about emotional value and attachment above.

Only if bastards like Scion would not be killing this car with its crappy-cheappy motos and moves. Stupid, stupid Toyota!

[bestwheelbase]

Originally Posted by Capt Canuck

^You'll be tripping over them in 3-4 years. Don't worry.

I don't think it will take nearly that long.This time next year they'll be plentiful.

[DoogenBurns]

Originally Posted by lpnnlp

Heh, and let's not forget that as soon as some people buy them, they will regret it and re-sell them.... maybe in response to getting smoked off the line by a v6 Camry...

Camry SE Weight:3240 lbs HP:268 0.083 HP/lb
FR-S Weight:2360 lbs HP:200 0.085 HP/lb

LOL the numbers are close, but my money's on the FR-S

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by DoogenBurns

Camry SE Weight:3240 lbs HP:268 0.083 HP/lb
FR-S Weight:2360 lbs HP:200 0.085 HP/lb

LOL the numbers are close, but my money's on the FR-S

camry 0-60 in 5.8 sec so im betting on the camry

[Reflections]

Originally Posted by DoogenBurns

Camry SE Weight:3240 lbs HP:268 0.083 HP/lb
FR-S Weight:2360 lbs HP:200 0.085 HP/lb

LOL the numbers are close, but my money's on the FR-S

Last I checked the FR-S and BRZ weigh 2680 lbs. My money's on the Camry. This car isn't for straight line drag races though...

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by DoogenBurns

Camry SE Weight:3240 lbs HP:268 0.083 HP/lb
FR-S Weight:2360 lbs HP:200 0.085 HP/lb

LOL the numbers are close, but my money's on the FR-S

We all wish my friend, we all wish. Add ~400lbs to that number.

Originally Posted by fatoni

camry 0-60 in 5.8 sec so im betting on the camry

Originally Posted by Reflections

Last I checked the FR-S and BRZ weigh 2680 lbs. My money's on the Camry. This car isn't for straight line drag races though...

Camry for me too. Even the RAV-4 will be faster in a straight line. But you don't get this car for straight line performance or stop light to stop light.

[alan.chalkley]

How many BRZs for Australia?

[zoomzoomers]

So this is good news. Now only if they would release the price!

[Ovrtme]

More info from The Truth about Cars -

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...ed-subaru-brz/

Spokespeople at Subaru were very busy today, preparing for an event on Friday. Finally, Subaru spokesman Masato Saito was dragged out of a meeting and said that these rumors are not “based on official information by FHI (Fuji Heavy Industries).” He did not want to comment further.

Toyota always maintained that it will sell as many hachi-roku as possible, with CEO Akio Toyoda personally leading the charge. A quick chat confirms that Toyota has not changed this stance.
Not surprisingly, Toyota’s spokesman Naoto Fuse says that “as for the Toyota 86, we plan to sell between 30,000 and 40,000 units annually overseas, mostly in North America and Europe.”
Why were Subaru spokespeople so busy? On Friday, there will be a line-off party at the Subaru plant. Subaru BRZ, Toyota 86, GT 86, Scion FR-S will be rolling off the line as quickly as they can build them, and as many as importers order will be shipped. Expect the first ones to arrive at U.S. shores in approximately a month from now. After a few weeks of thin supplies, common to any new model launch, you should be able to choose from plenty cars. Don’t buy the shortage story and pay above MSRP.