How cheap would the factory ~250hp 86/FRS/BRZ need to be for you to trade in?

[mit_peid]

I'm keeping my eye on the Innovate intercooled kit.... very tempting especially if they get the CARB approval. Might be the best path for me if I want that extra HP right now.

[campy]

My FRS has a special place in my heart. I considered trading it in for a monogram series but I just can't part with it at this point.

[Leonardo]

A base STi is $37,600. And a fully decked out STi is $43,000. I would expect the more powerful BRZ/FR-S to cost the same. I owe $17,000 on my FR-S. And by the time the more powerful version comes out, I will owe about $10,000. So adding $27,000 to my loan sounds terrible. NO WAY! I'll upgrade mine!

[Tromatic]

This car is not about HP by design. You bought the wrong car.

[A&F]

Originally Posted by Whitigir

lol Porsche Cayman is 52k+ MSRP .....that is 12k a part...no way

But in this case the 12k is buying a 275hp, mid engine Porsche that is superior in every conceivable quality and performance aspect.

Caymans are beasts and the 981 looks like a super car.

[A&F]

Originally Posted by mit_peid

The 2.0XT is the same FA20 as ours but turbo-charged netting 250hp, with AWD, and a lame CVT transmission. If they can do the Forester 2.0XT for under $30K, I think the turbo-version of the twin can be around the the same ballpark.

You are forgetting vehicle value.
A base NA Forester is $22k. The turbo is $28k that's a $6k premium. The Impreza, WRX and STi also all have $8k spacing each other out.
(18k, 26k and $35k).

A factory turbo option would be at least $5k more. If they make it a package with wheels, brakes, suspension, areo kit and seats, you can count on it being $8-10k.

[hur1ey02]

I picked $ 33k, because above that, I'd much rather have an STi.

[1086]

It is possible that a FI model may come out, but it probably won't happen any time soon - if it does it won't be for another 3-5 years. However, I think we can use the Legacy GT DIT as a benchmark:

86's Stats

• Bore: 86 mm
• Stroke: 86 mm
• Displacement: 1,998 cc
• Compression Ratio: 12.5:1
• Power: 200 PS (147 kW; 197 hp) at 7,000 RPM
• Torque: 20.9 kg·m (205 N·m; 151 lb·ft) at 6,400-6,600 RPM

Legacy GT DIT Stats



A version with direct fuel injection and twin-scroll turbocharger was introduced in 2012 to the Japanese market for the Legacy GT DIT (direct injection turbo) sedan, and the Legacy GT DIT Touring Wagon.

• Bore: 86 mm
• Stroke: 86 mm
• Displacement: 1,998 cc
• Compression Ratio: 10.6:1
• Power: 300 PS (221 kW; 296 hp) at 5,600 RPM
• Torque: 40.8 kg·m (400 N·m; 295 lb·ft) at 2,000-4,800 RPM

[BlaineWasHere]

I'll have my FR-S paid off soon, so I'm gonna keep that and buy a DD that's even faster than a 250HP FR-S.

[Hanni_0176]

Originally Posted by Pete

I would trade in for a 3.0l boxer 6. They could sell that for quite a bit I think.

Screw all that 2.5L upgrade jazz, I'm totally down on a 3.0L H6... so long as they can find a way to keep the weight down.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by 1086

N/A FA20 vs. JDM Legacy GT DIT engine comparison

That DIT engine redlines at...6K RPM or something boring like that. I have no doubt it's powerful enough to propel a car to great speeds, but that just sounds boring. If I want a 6K redline, I'll buy a large displacement V8.

[Hanni_0176]

Would love it if they designed a small twin turbo kit for our cars. I wouldn't trade mine in, and would still just FI my car myself, but the aftermarket for our cars would explode even more than it already has.

If they released a larger displacement engine... I'd probably do a trade-in. I'd hate to spend money on mods (like FI) on a weaker platform/starting point.

If they decided to implement hybrid technology, I wouldn't trade my car in, but would be very interested in seeing how that technology would impact the Electric Supercharger(s) being designed, or some sort of Electric Turbocharger design.
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_turbocharger"]Hybrid turbocharger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame].

[1086]

Mhm... maybe you're missing the point of my comment - no one prefers a low red line on this car, at least I don't as well as you. But I am not focusing on red line necessarily - I am focusing on subaru's turbo version of the engine (hence, "use as a benchmark") and then using that to build off of to use as a reference. I also get that it won't be exactly like a factory built one...

[Ocean-Grown 86]

It needs to be a hell of a lot better than what I already have for me to even bother.