Subaru BRZ = Order only?

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Originally Posted by devinclfalcons

My Subaru dealer a few weeks ago offered me 500 over invoice if I pre-order. Wonder if I should try to jump on that now...

If its refundable, then why not

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Originally Posted by bestwheelbase

I think you guys underestimate the greediness of many dealerships. My local dealer put a $7,500 "market adjustment" on top of the MSRP of a Hyundai Genesis Coupe when they first came out!

I am excited about the car. I am not excited about the buying experience. This will be my first time purchasing a brand-new car and I soooooo don't want the headache of trying to work a "deal" with a salesman.

Pure Pricing is cool because, like buying any other retail product, I can find the advertised price and get it from that retailer or look elsewhere. It is unfortunate the BRZ will require deal-making because, frankly, I don't want any of that. This is why the SoCal group buy makes sense -- but if we all line up at one dealership, it's going to take a while before everyone's car comes in.

Who knows a Subaru store in the southeastern US that would lock in a decent price like Guccin has arranged in Cali?

I usually dont like this idea of pure price because I actually am pretty good at negotiating prices, but in this case it might be good if the price is low if the frs is in demand. Because then you dont need the greediness of the dealers like you said

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Originally Posted by Rabble

Holy shit that is shady as fuck. I'd call up scion corporate and tell them that is happening, I doubt they are supposed to do that.

Yeah, also popular among dealers selling cars that are eligible for some federal/state rebate.
My wife will need a new car this summer, so if they try to screw me they'll lose more than one customer.

[bestwheelbase]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

I don't enjoy haggling but I do enjoy feeling that I "won"

Originally Posted by neutron256

I like feeling like won too, but I'd rather just avoid the process all together.

Yeah but it seems to me that nobody really wins. Or in Vegas terms, "The house always wins." For example, Giccin has arranged the SoCal Group Buy to be "$300 over invoice" (which is great, and a hearty THANK YOU to her for setting it up) but what does that really mean? The dealer can't be making a mere $300 on the transaction... There's no way they can pay for all those annoying television commercials and balloons and large-numbers-they-prop-the-hoods-open-with by making $300 on a $25k sale. They're making a lot more than that, through various back-end details that only my friend the "F&I Guy" understands, and I am left feeling that the whole process lacks a transparency and forthrightness that is apparent with every other item I purchase.

I guess it just comes down to "get it as cheap as possible, and then you win." We need to use our strength in numbers not just in SoCal but elsewhere to improve the buying experience for BRZ enthusiasts. Imagine having various forum friendly dealers around the country willing to honor a special rate. Instead of just buying a car, forum members could choose a Group Buy based on what city they want to visit. I'm in Nashville. Out-of-towners could come for the car and stay for the weekend, enjoying site-seeing and relaxation (and our beautiful country roads!) and get their first oil change before departing for the trip home - wherever that may be. And they'd be able to meet some fellow FT86Clubbers in the process.

Okay okay, I will take Dave's advice and send out some emails. We could make this in to something fun...

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by bestwheelbase

Yeah but it seems to me that nobody really wins. Or in Vegas terms, "The house always wins." For example, Giccin has arranged the SoCal Group Buy to be "$300 over invoice" (which is great, and a hearty THANK YOU to her for setting it up) but what does that really mean? The dealer can't be making a mere $300 on the transaction... There's no way they can pay for all those annoying television commercials and balloons and large-numbers-they-prop-the-hoods-open-with by making $300 on a $25k sale. They're making a lot more than that, through various back-end details that only my friend the "F&I Guy" understands, and I am left feeling that the whole process lacks a transparency and forthrightness that is apparent with every other item I purchase.

I guess it just comes down to "get it as cheap as possible, and then you win." We need to use our strength in numbers not just in SoCal but elsewhere to improve the buying experience for BRZ enthusiasts. Imagine having various forum friendly dealers around the country willing to honor a special rate. Instead of just buying a car, forum members could choose a Group Buy based on what city they want to visit. I'm in Nashville. Out-of-towners could come for the car and stay for the weekend, enjoying site-seeing and relaxation (and our beautiful country roads!) and get their first oil change before departing for the trip home - wherever that may be. And they'd be able to meet some fellow FT86Clubbers in the process.

Okay okay, I will take Dave's advice and send out some emails. We could make this in to something fun...

First oil change? I wouldn't recommend changing the oil until the Subaru service manual recommends it. Probably after 3000 miles.

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This information is probably available elsewhere but I have yet to run across it (probably in the wrong forum) but do both the FR-S and BRZ come with synthetic oil?

[bestwheelbase]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

First oil change? I wouldn't recommend changing the oil until the Subaru service manual recommends it. Probably after 3000 miles.

That was just something that came to mind - not the main point I was trying to make. What do you think of the rest of the idea?

Having always purchased used cars, I have traveled to get them (thousands of miles in one case). It is a perfect opportunity for a road trip to "get to know" the vehicle. The same could apply for a new car if everything was worked out ahead of time. This way, the buyer would be left to enjoy the experience rather than worry about making a deal. You can't really plan a weekend getaway and scenic road trip home when your primary bargaining tool is walking out of the dealership if they don't throw in floor mats!

BMW, which I use as an example merely because I am familiar with them, has a program where you can pickup your new car in Europe and spend a few weeks making memories. Or in South Carolina and spend time at their facility down there and then go for a drive in the Carolinas. The point is... if everything is worked out at a fair price, then you can make it in to an exciting trip rather than just a normal drive home across town. I wonder if anybody is interested in visiting Nashville? I wonder if I can get a Nashville dealership on board? We'll see what they say next week...

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I think I'd be opposed to a long trip right after getting a new vehicle. A lot of people don't believe a new vehicle has to be broken in. I'm one of those believers that thinks it does. I'd probably at least want to drive it around town for a couple weeks before taking it on a road trip.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by Enemies

I think I'd be opposed to a long trip right after getting a new vehicle. A lot of people don't believe a new vehicle has to be broken in. I'm one of those believers that thinks it does. I'd probably at least want to drive it around town for a couple weeks before taking it on a road trip.

If your idea of breaking isn't a hard break in, then it's by and large probably hurting the engine more than anything. I would cite sources, but there's plenty of information you can find on the web regarding modern engine break in.

[Enemies]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

If your idea of breaking isn't a hard break in, then it's by and large probably hurting the engine more than anything. I would cite sources, but there's plenty of information you can find on the web regarding modern engine break in.

Yeah, I think as soon as the manual for both cars are released I know what I'll be spending my time doing. Everybody seems to have a different opinion on how to break in a car.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by Enemies

Yeah, I think as soon as the manual for both cars are released I know what I'll be spending my time doing. Everybody seems to have a different opinion on how to break in a car.

There's many cases where by-the-book break-in procedures have resulted in a weaker performing and shorter-lasting engine. A few particular turbo VW engines, EJ series turbos, and others come to mind...

Hell, your rings seat within the first 100 if not first 20 miles.

[bestwheelbase]

Originally Posted by Enemies

I think I'd be opposed to a long trip right after getting a new vehicle. A lot of people don't believe a new vehicle has to be broken in. I'm one of those believers that thinks it does. I'd probably at least want to drive it around town for a couple weeks before taking it on a road trip.

Peoples' break-in practices will definitely factor in to this type of thing. Thanks for sharing. :happy0180:

I am personally of the belief that a proper break-in can be achieved without hundreds or thousands of boring low-load miles, but that's a topic that deserves it's own thread. For now, I would like to get feedback on the idea of various forum members arranging Giccin-style group buys around the country - then people can choose where they want to go.

I realize it will be a trickle of cars, but imagine how much fun it would be to pickup your BRZ with 10 other FT86Club members at the same time.

[bestwheelbase]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

There's many cases where by-the-book break-in procedures have resulted in a weaker performing and shorter-lasting engine. A few particular turbo VW engines, EJ series turbos, and others come to mind...

Hell, your rings seat within the first 100 if not first 20 miles.

This.

Okay so now that we started talking break-in procedures while I was composing that last reply (I type 100wpm, but I proofread realllllly slowwwwly ) I will add...

Three thousand mile oil changes, for car that sees general spirited driving, is a waste of money. Modern synthetics are better longer than the oils our grandfathers ran. There are times when "old school maintenance" (love that term) is helpful but oil service is not one of them.

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Originally Posted by bestwheelbase

I realize it will be a trickle of cars, but imagine how much fun it would be to pickup your BRZ with 10 other FT86Club members at the same time.

I think it would be cool. But I bet you you'd have to wait like 4 months for any car dealership to even get their first 10.

I'd totally drive to Vancouver, BC to be part of a group buy. Take the wife shopping but finally a trip where I get to spend more money.