FR-S v.s. BRZ - Page 6 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Dragonitti · 12-19-2011, 05:25 PM

^Works for me..

himbo · 12-20-2011, 12:12 AM

Sorry Toyota fanbois, but most of the development and parts came from Subaru. The chassis, motor, suspension, are all Subie. Toyota did indeed create this car conceptually, and I give credit where credit is due- but this is mostly Subaru's creation.

Letting the flaming begin...

brzmaybe · 12-22-2011, 12:14 PM

It's a difficult choice, but I think there are interesting differentiators:

1. I'll bet the two cars are aimed at different markets; one of baby boomers looking to re-experience the sports cars of the 60s-70s and maybe do some auto crossing, the other of gen-x or gen-y looking to buy their second Scion and maybe do some drifting. Evidence? Those subtly different suspension settings and the different tires.

2. Assuming the aftermarkets also remain differentiated (and I'm not so sure about this), the difference between turbocharging a BRZ and supercharging an FR-S. Difference response (and different soundtrack) for different folks.

3. I may be wrong about this one, but here goes.... interior shots of the two cars suggest a slightly plainer treatment for the FR-S; no digital ventilation controls, no LCD center screen, no silvered dash panel.

I lean towards the Subaru because we already have a Forester that's been a pleasure to own and drive, with a dealership that's a pleasure to visit. And I'm demographically a baby boomer. All that being said, I devoutly hope that when I want a bit more power for track day outings, I'll be able to raid the TRD parts bin. Oh dear.... I'm back at square one... glad I won't be buying until fall 2012.

MRZ415 · 12-22-2011, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryude

Am I the only person here that thinks the FR-S interior is better than the BRZ?

DIfferent strokes for different folks...
While I like the general color scheme of the Scion..
the Faux carbon look will make me into a "RICER"..
and since I am Asian to begin with ... its NOT helping

The reason I drive a VW now is to get away from the
typical stereo-type ... I will go with the BRZ's style
since its more mature in a manner.

fatoni · 12-22-2011, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by himbo

Sorry Toyota fanbois, but most of the development and parts came from Subaru. The chassis, motor, suspension, are all Subie. Toyota did indeed create this car conceptually, and I give credit where credit is due- but this is mostly Subaru's creation.

Letting the flaming begin...

well i dont think anybody on a forum really know anything about what went on to create this car so well just ignore that fact for a while...it sounds to me like you are giving more credit to the construction workers than the architect. also, calling the motor all subaru is a joke. those things combined with the fact that toyota has to own a significant percentage of subaru makes this whole of pointless...but this is a forum so carry on

86'd · 12-22-2011, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MRZ415

DIfferent strokes for different folks...
While I like the general color scheme of the Scion..
the Faux carbon look will make me into a "RICER"..
and since I am Asian to begin with ... its NOT helping

The reason I drive a VW now is to get away from the
typical stereo-type ... I will go with the BRZ's style
since its more mature in a manner.

It is faux carbon but I think the pattern is the Toyota motif seen in the gauge cluster and front grille, which is pretty cool.

If the price is right, under 24k, then I can get over the whole owning a Scion part of it. I'll rebadge anyway.

aesthetect · 12-22-2011, 11:33 PM

all else being equal... that shiney ass silver dash would annoy me

Longhorn248 · 12-23-2011, 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aesthetect

all else being equal... that shiney ass silver dash would annoy me

I like the dark colored dash better, whether it's faux CF or just painted black doesn't matter.

aesthetect · 12-23-2011, 12:35 AM

texans against bling - UNITE

Stigmaru · 01-01-2012, 03:21 AM

I don't really have preference over the exterior. I think the FRS has a simpler look and BRZ jumped into the bandwagon of black plastic noses. Although, I think they did do a pretty good job with the design. I really like the material for the FRS interior and the color scheme. The BRZ interior is kinda lameduck IMHO. However, the FT86 is really a Subaru creation from the tires up. I think Subaru pretty much designed 90% of the car and then gave all the CAD drawings to Toyota to manufacture theirs

I kinda want to get a BRZ just out of respect for Subaru's work since Toyota seems to be pretty much getting a free ride... literally...

Toyota: I want to relive the AE86 dream and rekindle my inner ricer!
Subaru: Uhh... What?
Toyota: Let's team up and make a light weight sporty RWD coupe and call it the AE86 Version 2.0!

Subaru: Uh No thanks
Toyota: We own 17% of the company! You better do it!
Subaru: Fine..

Toyota:

Subaru: We should make it AWD.. it's all about traction and gripping the road to achieve the most optimum performance
Toyota:

Subaru: We should turbo charge or super charge it

Toyota:

Subaru: Alright we think we have the engine down...well you better contribute something Toyota
Toyota: Here let's use this fuel injection system

Subaru: that's all you got?
Toyota: I have these cool napkin sketches of what we want the car to look like!

Subaru: Uhh.. but what suspension and the gear box?
Toyota: Don't worry about it!

Subaru:

Toyota: It's all good

Subaru: Let's do this for the drive train
Toyota: I was thinkin we should do a dual exhaust because people will love that!
Subaru: I thought you wanted to keep this low cost?

Toyota: Don't worry about it!

Subaru:

Toyota: We should put some back seats in because people need to carry golf clubs
Subaru:

I thought u wanted a true RWD sports car?!
Toyota: It'll be fine! The AE86 had back seats.

Subaru: Fine'll we'll give you ur back seats

Toyota:

Subaru: Well since you want to do LSD, fuel injection and all these expensive crap.. we came up with this idea to reuse some WRX STi parts like brakes, rotors, tires, etc to reduce cost
Toyota: That is an awesome idea! We should do something similar for our version... hmmm We'll put Prius tires on it!!

Subaru: Uh.. what?

Toyota: Don't worry we got the vision down!

Subaru: We pretty much built the car ourselves.
Toyota:

When can we start selling it!?
Subaru: Go ahead.. here are the design and specifications..but we'll just make our own
Toyota: WHAT?

Subaru: Yea we pretty much built your "AE86"
Toyota: but but...but.. it was our idea!
Subaru:

Toyota: fine we'll release the concept first!
Subaru: That's it?

Toyota: It's awesome!

Subaru: Oh here is our STi and GT300 versions that we threw together last night

Toyota: Wow.....

Subaru

Toyota

MRZ415 · 01-01-2012, 05:59 AM

wow, so epic.. lol such a compact(yet TRUE) version of
events which took place over the course of 7-10 years.

Levi · 01-01-2012, 11:00 AM

So funny and true AeroWRX. But it did not take 7-10. The FT86 Concept was shown in Geneva 2009, the GT86 Production is going to be available in Geneva 2012. It is only 3 years from concept to production. Anything before, we even did not know about the 86 Project.

VenomRush · 01-01-2012, 11:50 AM

blur · 01-01-2012, 03:02 PM

Lol I don't know if that post is serious. Since I'm bored, here is how I saw it...

Akio Toyoda: Hey guys lets make a sports car!
Toyota: OK, I'm thinking turbo v6 AWD supra
Akio Toyoda: No, the enthusiasts want a car they can actually afford!

Toyota: What do you mean?
Akio Toyoda: AWD turbo cars aren't as exciting as NA FR
Toyota:

Akio Toyoda: Trust me, everyone will like it

Toyota: OK, but if it doesnt sell

Toyota: So yeah, uhh, you want to help out with our sport car project?
Subaru: We already have the WRX

Toyota: But that's AWD and turbo, this one is NA FR!

Subaru: WHAT MAKES YOU THINK WE WOULD DESIGN A CAR THAT COULD POTENTIALLY LOSE CONTROL!?

1 year later

Toyota: Cmon, we really want to build that car...
Subaru: Fine, but our version of the car will have to have more understeer.
Toyota: Whatever you want

Subaru: Where does the front differential go?
Toyota:

Subaru: Oh right.. anyway, we'll throw some suspension on a prototype and put the FI EJ in there . . .
Toyota: WTF!?! NA man

Subaru: What's the fun in that?
Toyota: You'll see..

After Toyota tested the prototype

Toyota: Wowaweewa, this is exactly what I wanted! It's handling is great!
Subaru: Its so slow...
Toyota: Since your cars looks like crap, we'll start making the exterior
Subaru: W/E

After concept

Subaru:

Toyota: Oh and btw your NA engines suck balls too, let's give Yamaha a call.
Subaru:

After production prototype

Akio Toyoda: This car is a blast!
Subaru: Needs moar powah

Akio Toyoda: You don't get it, do you?
Subaru: Get what?

Akio Toyoda: NVM, damn AWD Turbo freaks
Subaru: That reminds me, we're gonna strap a turbo on it when your not looking!
Akio Toyoda: FFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU
Subaru: Turbo FTW, and we'll call it the STI!
Akio Toyoda: The chassis can handle more power.... hmmmm ....... supercharger....
Subaru: What's that?

Toyoda:

Lol, these convos are fun

12-22-2011, 12:14 PM	#73
brzmaybe Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: Subaru Location: Virginia Posts: 77 Thanks: 7 Thanked 15 Times in 7 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Which one? My considerations It's a difficult choice, but I think there are interesting differentiators: 1. I'll bet the two cars are aimed at different markets; one of baby boomers looking to re-experience the sports cars of the 60s-70s and maybe do some auto crossing, the other of gen-x or gen-y looking to buy their second Scion and maybe do some drifting. Evidence? Those subtly different suspension settings and the different tires. 2. Assuming the aftermarkets also remain differentiated (and I'm not so sure about this), the difference between turbocharging a BRZ and supercharging an FR-S. Difference response (and different soundtrack) for different folks. 3. I may be wrong about this one, but here goes.... interior shots of the two cars suggest a slightly plainer treatment for the FR-S; no digital ventilation controls, no LCD center screen, no silvered dash panel. I lean towards the Subaru because we already have a Forester that's been a pleasure to own and drive, with a dealership that's a pleasure to visit. And I'm demographically a baby boomer. All that being said, I devoutly hope that when I want a bit more power for track day outings, I'll be able to raid the TRD parts bin. Oh dear.... I'm back at square one... glad I won't be buying until fall 2012.

01-01-2012, 03:21 AM	#80
Stigmaru Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: 2022 Halo White GR86 Location: United States Posts: 213 Thanks: 21 Thanked 53 Times in 23 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I don't really have preference over the exterior. I think the FRS has a simpler look and BRZ jumped into the bandwagon of black plastic noses. Although, I think they did do a pretty good job with the design. I really like the material for the FRS interior and the color scheme. The BRZ interior is kinda lameduck IMHO. However, the FT86 is really a Subaru creation from the tires up. I think Subaru pretty much designed 90% of the car and then gave all the CAD drawings to Toyota to manufacture theirs I kinda want to get a BRZ just out of respect for Subaru's work since Toyota seems to be pretty much getting a free ride... literally... Toyota: I want to relive the AE86 dream and rekindle my inner ricer! Subaru: Uhh... What? Toyota: Let's team up and make a light weight sporty RWD coupe and call it the AE86 Version 2.0! Subaru: Uh No thanks Toyota: We own 17% of the company! You better do it! Subaru: Fine.. Toyota: Subaru: We should make it AWD.. it's all about traction and gripping the road to achieve the most optimum performance Toyota: Subaru: We should turbo charge or super charge it Toyota: Subaru: Alright we think we have the engine down...well you better contribute something Toyota Toyota: Here let's use this fuel injection system Subaru: that's all you got? Toyota: I have these cool napkin sketches of what we want the car to look like! Subaru: Uhh.. but what suspension and the gear box? Toyota: Don't worry about it! Subaru: Toyota: It's all good Subaru: Let's do this for the drive train Toyota: I was thinkin we should do a dual exhaust because people will love that! Subaru: I thought you wanted to keep this low cost? Toyota: Don't worry about it! Subaru: Toyota: We should put some back seats in because people need to carry golf clubs Subaru: I thought u wanted a true RWD sports car?! Toyota: It'll be fine! The AE86 had back seats. Subaru: Fine'll we'll give you ur back seats Toyota: Subaru: Well since you want to do LSD, fuel injection and all these expensive crap.. we came up with this idea to reuse some WRX STi parts like brakes, rotors, tires, etc to reduce cost Toyota: That is an awesome idea! We should do something similar for our version... hmmm We'll put Prius tires on it!! Subaru: Uh.. what? Toyota: Don't worry we got the vision down! Subaru: We pretty much built the car ourselves. Toyota: When can we start selling it!? Subaru: Go ahead.. here are the design and specifications..but we'll just make our own Toyota: WHAT? Subaru: Yea we pretty much built your "AE86" Toyota: but but...but.. it was our idea! Subaru: Toyota: fine we'll release the concept first! Subaru: That's it? Toyota: It's awesome! Subaru: Oh here is our STi and GT300 versions that we threw together last night Toyota: Wow..... Subaru Toyota Last edited by Stigmaru; 01-01-2012 at 03:34 AM.

01-01-2012, 05:59 AM	#81
MRZ415 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: 2015 Subaru WRX Location: San Francisco Posts: 339 Thanks: 41 Thanked 14 Times in 11 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	wow, so epic.. lol such a compact(yet TRUE) version of events which took place over the course of 7-10 years. __________________

01-01-2012, 03:02 PM	#84
blur ლ(ಠ益ಠ)ლ Join Date: Apr 2010 Drives: E36 5.7 V8 Location: Bronx, NYC Posts: 1,573 Thanks: 194 Thanked 198 Times in 112 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Lol I don't know if that post is serious. Since I'm bored, here is how I saw it... Akio Toyoda: Hey guys lets make a sports car! Toyota: OK, I'm thinking turbo v6 AWD supra Akio Toyoda: No, the enthusiasts want a car they can actually afford! Toyota: What do you mean? Akio Toyoda: AWD turbo cars aren't as exciting as NA FR Toyota: Akio Toyoda: Trust me, everyone will like it Toyota: OK, but if it doesnt sell Toyota: So yeah, uhh, you want to help out with our sport car project? Subaru: We already have the WRX Toyota: But that's AWD and turbo, this one is NA FR! Subaru: WHAT MAKES YOU THINK WE WOULD DESIGN A CAR THAT COULD POTENTIALLY LOSE CONTROL!? 1 year later Toyota: Cmon, we really want to build that car... Subaru: Fine, but our version of the car will have to have more understeer. Toyota: Whatever you want Subaru: Where does the front differential go? Toyota: Subaru: Oh right.. anyway, we'll throw some suspension on a prototype and put the FI EJ in there . . . Toyota: WTF!?! NA man Subaru: What's the fun in that? Toyota: You'll see.. After Toyota tested the prototype Toyota: Wowaweewa, this is exactly what I wanted! It's handling is great! Subaru: Its so slow... Toyota: Since your cars looks like crap, we'll start making the exterior Subaru: W/E After concept Subaru: Toyota: Oh and btw your NA engines suck balls too, let's give Yamaha a call. Subaru: After production prototype Akio Toyoda: This car is a blast! Subaru: Needs moar powah Akio Toyoda: You don't get it, do you? Subaru: Get what? Akio Toyoda: NVM, damn AWD Turbo freaks Subaru: That reminds me, we're gonna strap a turbo on it when your not looking! Akio Toyoda: FFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU Subaru: Turbo FTW, and we'll call it the STI! Akio Toyoda: The chassis can handle more power.... hmmmm ....... supercharger.... Subaru: What's that? Toyoda: Lol, these convos are fun __________________ I wish I was cool enough to have an FR-S

12-19-2011, 05:25 PM	#71
Dragonitti Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Drives: Boosted Scion tC, 350z Location: TN Posts: 1,779 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	^Works for me..

12-20-2011, 12:12 AM	#72
himbo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Drives: Lightening Red BRZ Ltd. Location: North Jersey Mutha Luva!!! Posts: 226 Thanks: 67 Thanked 95 Times in 44 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Sorry Toyota fanbois, but most of the development and parts came from Subaru. The chassis, motor, suspension, are all Subie. Toyota did indeed create this car conceptually, and I give credit where credit is due- but this is mostly Subaru's creation. Letting the flaming begin...

12-22-2011, 11:33 PM	#77
aesthetect form follows function Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: 240Z, E90 M3, tacorunner Location: alabama Posts: 51 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	all else being equal... that shiney ass silver dash would annoy me

12-23-2011, 12:35 AM	#79
aesthetect form follows function Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: 240Z, E90 M3, tacorunner Location: alabama Posts: 51 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	texans against bling - UNITE

01-01-2012, 11:00 AM	#82
Levi Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Drives: Toyota Location: Germany Posts: 1,202 Thanks: 134 Thanked 138 Times in 90 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	So funny and true AeroWRX. But it did not take 7-10. The FT86 Concept was shown in Geneva 2009, the GT86 Production is going to be available in Geneva 2012. It is only 3 years from concept to production. Anything before, we even did not know about the 86 Project.

01-01-2012, 11:50 AM	#83
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