4th gen ND Mazda MX-5 Miata

[fatoni]

Went do people even look at msrp?

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by Entroper

They look like 86 prices to me.

Except you don't have to pay 3k more for a LSD.

[Sigh-on-Rice]

Originally Posted by Entroper

They look like 86 prices to me.

Ya, but if you compare base vs base with similar price, it's like FR-S without LSD and with 16" rims...., and with Corolla engine. If FR-S was like that too, I would say FR-S is pricey too.

[Entroper]

Originally Posted by Sigh-on-Rice

Ya, but if you compare base vs base with similar price, it's like FR-S without LSD and with 16" rims...., and with Corolla engine. If FR-S was like that too, I would say FR-S is pricey too.

And a convertible top.

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

Except you don't have to pay 3k more for a LSD.

This is true, though. What really grinds my gears is that it sounds like the LSD, FSTB, and Bilsteins are only available on the Club, not the Grand Touring trim. So there's really no such thing as a "fully loaded" 2016 ND, at least not in the US.

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by Entroper

And a convertible top.

And double wishbone suspension, front-mid-engine layout, and 400 pounds less weight to carry. :P

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by Entroper

This is true, though. What really grinds my gears is that it sounds like the LSD, FSTB, and Bilsteins are only available on the Club, not the Grand Touring trim. So there's really no such thing as a "fully loaded" 2016 ND, at least not in the US.

Give it time. I'm sure there will be plenty of special editions in the next couple of years. Mazda is going to milk this car.

[Poodles]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

And double wishbone suspension, front-mid-engine layout, and 200 pounds less weight to carry. :P

ftfy

also, higher COG, worse gas mileage, and much less power.

[Entroper]

Originally Posted by Poodles

ftfy

also, higher COG, worse gas mileage, and much less power.

Say what? ND is in the 2300s. And maybe you missed the recent MPG announcement: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymod...zda_MX-5.shtml

[Poodles]

Originally Posted by Entroper

Say what? ND is in the 2300s. And maybe you missed the recent MPG announcement: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymod...zda_MX-5.shtml

Could swear I read a report that it wasn't that light, can't find it right now. I'm willing to bet options are going to drive that low weight up a bit.

I'll wait until fuelly reports come in on the car as the government also rates the twins with a manual as having crappy mileage and they said the older Miatas got better than they really do.

Would have been interesting if they released the thing with more power at the same price of the twins. It was well documented that the Miata was the market they aimed the twins at. If the new Miata could actually compete (or even worse, soundly beat)with the twins, it would probably force revisions.

Competition breeds innovation after all...

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by Poodles

ftfy

also, higher COG, worse gas mileage, and much less power.

ND Miata: 2,332 lbs.- ??? lbs.
Scion FR-S: 2,758 - 2,806 lbs.

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by Poodles

Could swear I read a report that it wasn't that light, can't find it right now. I'm willing to bet options are going to drive that low weight up a bit.

I'll wait until fuelly reports come in on the car as the government also rates the twins with a manual as having crappy mileage and they said the older Miatas got better than they really do.

Would have been interesting if they released the thing with more power at the same price of the twins. It was well documented that the Miata was the market they aimed the twins at. If the new Miata could actually compete (or even worse, soundly beat)with the twins, it would probably force revisions.

Competition breeds innovation after all...

I'd like to see more power too, but people will buy this. They've bought previous gens, and this will be the best one..... light weight like the NA/NB, but front-mid-engine like the NC, with the stiffest chassis and most refined suspension... at the very least it will be the best Miata.

I'm not so sure the FR-S was really aimed at the Miata that much... besides the fact that it was the only other light weight rwd sports car at the time... It's really aimed at the old Silvias... it's the most similar to that car compared to any other in the past 20 years or so. Just a simple, light, tail-happy FR coupe...

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

I'm not so sure the FR-S was really aimed at the Miata that much... besides the fact that it was the only other light weight rwd sports car at the time... It's really aimed at the old Silvias... it's the most similar to that car compared to any other in the past 20 years or so. Just a simple, light, tail-happy FR coupe...

Definitely the only thing, design intent-wise, shared between Miata and 86 is that they're relatively lightweight, RWD, reliable, affordable, and handling focused.

Early press said that the engineers targeted Porsche:

Even so, the handling benchmark was the mid-engine Porsche Cayman (which has a 45/55 weight split), and Masuda says the AS1’s center of gravity is 17.7 inches high, one inch lower than a Cayman’s.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...pockets-page-1

While it may share a country with the Silvia's it matches a Porsche 944 S2 spec for spec except it's cheaper, more reliable, and needs less displacement to get the same power while getting better fuel economy and having a lower c.g.

If Porsche built a FR coupe (Panamera based?) and lopped two cylinders off their flat-six engine and cut production costs (cheaper materials, faster production methods, lower paid workforce) this is the car they would make imo.

In any case, excited for the ND, like said above, Mazda does a good job of making each model as good as the last and usually improves on the formula. Even after you add the reality weight penalty the car should be lighter than 2450 lbs even with goodies, will be a hoot.

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Definitely the only thing, design intent-wise, shared between Miata and 86 is that they're relatively lightweight, RWD, reliable, affordable, and handling focused.

Early press said that the engineers targeted Porsche:



http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...pockets-page-1

While it may share a country with the Silvia's it matches a Porsche 944 S2 spec for spec except it's cheaper, more reliable, and needs less displacement to get the same power while getting better fuel economy and having a lower c.g.

If Porsche built a FR coupe (Panamera based?) and lopped two cylinders off their flat-six engine and cut production costs (cheaper materials, faster production methods, lower paid workforce) this is the car they would make imo.

In any case, excited for the ND, like said above, Mazda does a good job of making each model as good as the last and usually improves on the formula. Even after you add the reality weight penalty the car should be lighter than 2450 lbs even with goodies, will be a hoot.

The Silvias themselves were meant to be competitors to the 944... very similar designs...

[Rampage]

A French site is reporting that the 2.0L will weigh in at 1015KG (2238 LBs) in Europe and will cover 0-100KPH in 7.3 seconds. That is interesting because the pre-release and early release 0-100 numbers for the FR-S and BRZ was 7.6 seconds. This car includes the bilstiens, Brembos and LSD so it may be similar to the NA MX-5 Club version.

http://www.automotivpress.fr/mazda-m...s-communiques/