Scion FRS turbo 2017

[cdq85]

Can't we talk about something real? Like Santa? Easter bunny maybe?

[Defuser]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Oh good they just get more bizarre.

Multiple sources with similar information, here's another article that goes a bit more in-depth and also references the technology-sharing agreement made earlier this year between Toyota and Mazda.


http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-new...0682.html#main


I am starting to wonder who WON'T be teaming up with Toyota (BMW, Subaru, Mazda...who's next?)


By the way, putting a small turbo engine into the next iteration makes sense; future models will be subject to more stringent fuel economy guidelines. Europe taxes the shit out of you based on the size of the engine...so small turbo's are the way it will be (see next gen Boxster/Cayman). Get your N/A engines while you can lol.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Defuser

Multiple sources with similar information, here's another article that goes a bit more in-depth and also references the technology-sharing agreement made earlier this year between Toyota and Mazda.


http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-new...0682.html#main


I am starting to wonder who WON'T be teaming up with Toyota (BMW, Subaru, Mazda...who's next?)

They are all bunk there Def. Started by motoring.au back in the spring. Yes, Toyota is working with Mazda but not on this platform.
Mazda has made cars for Toyota for years in their Mexico plant and Toyota has provided Mazda with hybrid tech for almost as long as it has existed. These team ups are not new or unusual it is just the clickbait bullshit stories that they make up that are.

[Defuser]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

They are all bunk there Def. Started by motoring.au back in the spring. .

I guess time will tell as they say.


I am enjoying my car, and actively saving for its replacement (4 years from now). Cayman or Alfa Romeo 4c?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Defuser

I guess time will tell as they say.


I am enjoying my car, and actively saving for its replacement (4 years from now). Cayman or Alfa Romeo 4c?

Type F

[fumanchu1]

Originally Posted by YamahaR86

Bragging rights. Gotta get them panties wet. Plus that sweet, sweet turbo spool sound.

I like turbo spool but prefer the noise of a screaming supercharger both very awesome noises

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Not the point of the question. It has RWD and 2 doors but why does it need more power?

It kind of is. By that same logic nobody should/would ever buy this car.


Why does it need more power? Because its slow. I love the looks and handling and interior....literally everything about the car. Power delivery is lackluster.


Also the 30K plus argument is invalid because that's what they were asking for the release series and the 10 series (31-32 as I recall) and the series.blue


They can give them some cool features that arguably don't matter but they can't give us a couple more HP.... the R&D argument / driving price up argument is kind of washy too seeing as the motor in different forms puts out much more. IDK. Obviously I bought this car based on more than HP, I would have just bought it sooner if it had something more under the hood. That's the one criticism everybody talks about, and it is the one thing people who own the car seem to bury their head in the sand over.

[Defuser]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Type F

I don't mind the Type F, but the styling doesn't speak to me. Maybe because I see so many wealthy retirees driving them around here (West Palm Beach Florida), I've attached a certain stigma to them.

[Eighty 6]

[Defuser]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

Obviously I bought this car based on more than HP, I would have just bought it sooner if it had something more under the hood. That's the one criticism everybody talks about, and it is the one thing people who own the car seem to bury their head in the sand over.

For me it is a fun car to drive, and has a decent balance of power and economy. Increase one, decrease the other.

[Eighty 6]

Originally Posted by fumanchu1

I like turbo spool but prefer the noise of a screaming supercharger both very awesome noises

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by RichardsFRS

I've seen the pics, I've read but is it really going to happen. And the BRZ they are thinking about 300hp and it looks like a BRZ mixed with WRX

You obviously never thought about it in great detail.

Why in the world would Subaru come out with a WRX competitor that would basically share shift sales of WRX over to this "BRZ"?

A couple more seconds of thoughtful reasoning would've given you a conclusion that this is too good to be true.

-alex

[totopo]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Yep. I have nothing against guys that want to give it more power (although not sure why if a streetcar) but the whole "needed it from the factory" thing is ridiculous. Couldn't use much more on the street as it is without a much higher risk and I am not sure where some people drive but around here catching up to traffic or stopping at the next light in 2.8 seconds instead of 2.4 is just fine.

While if YOU think the car needs power or not is your opinion and completely valid because it's your opinion...

Do you have your head in the sand that much that you can't see why ANYONE would want more power? Have you read like 99% of the reviews out there for the car? Do you have so little empathy that you can't try to look at it from someone else's value system rather than your own?

So there is no reason that family sedans need more power either. They're not even sports cars!!! car manufacturers therefore are all retarded! look at camrys now compared to 20 years ago!! why do they keep adding power!!! it's useless!!!!! consumers are all stupid!!!! i'm the only rational being!!!!

edit: sorry, Tcoat, misunderstood your post. My bad. I thought you were generalizing your opinions to other people.

[KR-S]

Originally Posted by totopo

While if YOU think the car needs power or not is your opinion and completely valid because it's your opinion...

Do you have your head in the sand that much that you can't see why ANYONE would want more power? Have you read like 99% of the reviews out there for the car? Do you have so little empathy that you can't try to look at it from someone else's value system rather than your own?

So there is no reason that family sedans need more power either. They're not even sports cars!!! car manufacturers therefore are all retarded! look at camrys now compared to 20 years ago!! why do they keep adding power!!! it's useless!!!!! consumers are all stupid!!!! i'm the only rational being!!!!

It's been established since the release of the FR-S and BRZ that power was not a focus for this car. I too would have liked if there was more power, but F/I can solve that issue. If I really wanted STI power, I'd have bought an STI.

Can I ask, do you complain about the lack of power on the ND Miata?