Drift-Office : HKS EL Header Tuned!

[Drift-Office]

Well now, the information we post out there is just that - information. It's really up to the eye of the beholder to believe or not believe what they read and see. As FR-Sizzle has said, no one is putting a gun to your heads, and everyone can certainly call it whatever they'd want, make whatever sense of it as they'd like. It's a free world out there!

On the flip side, my JDL order has finally shipped. I wonder what some of you guys will say after that review gets posted!

Cheers!


Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

[boxer 2.5]

It sounds good, and makes some good solid gains! But phew! What a price tag!

[Fast_Freddy]

Did you actually expect me to read all that? Buy whatever you want and believe whatever you like. It really makes no difference to me.

[FR-Sizzle]

Originally Posted by Fast_Freddy

Did you actually expect me to read all that? Buy whatever you want and believe whatever you like. It really makes no difference to me.

What you want me to give you Cliffs too? Heres a shortened version. Just seems like your mad and jealous that a HKS header is MUCH better than your Borla and you are just looking for a reason to say its not good. They have much more to lose to lie about something like this than to gain. I have never seen someone on this forum knock on another persons results just because a header cost more than what they paid for theres and act like just because it cost more it wouldnt provide better results. Especially on a new platform like this car where new things are being discovered/developed everyday.

Takes less than a minute to read everything as I re read my post. Talk about lazy. If you dont have anything positive to say no ones forcing you to be in this thread. Knocking on other peoples/vendors mods/results because the header cost twice as much as your Borla header and you honestly think just because it cost twice as much as your Borla header that it wont perform better? FYI Why do you think HKS and other vendors like Nameless took so much longer developing there headers instead of rushing them out like Borla to be one of the first vendors to have a header out. 90% of reason why they cost more is because they put MUCH more R&D into it. HKS just like Nameless both headers cost twice as much as your rushed out/early released Borla headers and you honestly really think it performing much better isnt possible? That is the reason why HKS/Nameless both have better headers than Borlas and you start questioning that those numbers are too good to be true. This isnt true in all cases but in this case it is very well so. Those results are very well believable and IMO Borlas headers results were great when they were first out but look at how long ago they released it compared to other companies. Its extremely obvious that they didnt put as much R&D as other companies. As we are starting to see much better results from other headers just recently released. Do you honestly think they just charge double of what your Borla header costs just because they are HKS?

When people like you bash/knock on a reputable vendor like Drift-Office is when it isnt cool. Who honestly calls them out saying those numbers arent believable when they provided us with multiple dyno's and results along with the parts the customer used.Very much seems like your not happy that another header is performing MUCH better than Borlas poverty time header when you compare it to whats available.It honestly looks like you think that Borlas headers were just so good that to see another vendor like HKS have a better one for double the price that is isnt possible.

[Fast_Freddy]

Do I know you? WTF do you think you are to presume to know my motivations and emotions? The numbers sounded too good to be true, especially for grossly over-priced HKS crap so I raised a question. Maybe the numbers are 100% correct and repeatable and maybe they are not. Babbling about it incessantly doesn't change anything. You sound like my ex-wife, you presumptuous jackass. Get a life dude!

No, I didn't read you latest novella either...

[Hawaiian]

Originally Posted by Fast_Freddy

Do I know you? WTF do you think you are to presume to know my motivations and emotions? The numbers sounded too good to be true, especially for grossly over-priced HKS crap so I raised a question. Maybe the numbers are 100% correct and repeatable and maybe they are not. Babbling about it incessantly doesn't change anything. You sound like my ex-wife, you presumptuous jackass. Get a life dude!

No, I didn't read you latest novella either...

Then how would you know what he wrote? Because you couldn't know and call him presumptious without reading it first right?

You sound like a gem. Your ex must miss you.

[Fast_Freddy]

Originally Posted by Hawaiian

Then how would you know what he wrote? Because you couldn't know and call him presumptious without reading it first right?

You sound like a gem. Your ex must miss you.

I read the second sentence, moron. Thanks for keeping your idiocy brief.

[FR-Sizzle]

Originally Posted by Fast_Freddy

Do I know you? WTF do you think you are to presume to know my motivations and emotions? The numbers sounded too good to be true, especially for grossly over-priced HKS crap so I raised a question. Maybe the numbers are 100% correct and repeatable and maybe they are not. Babbling about it incessantly doesn't change anything. You sound like my ex-wife, you presumptuous jackass. Get a life dude!

No, I didn't read you latest novella either...

Numbers sounded too good to be true on a new platform like this car? Do you honestly think that companies have already pushed this car to its limits like how the S2000 has been which has been out for 10+ years? This car is barely more than a year old with a fraction of as many parts as other cars models. Tuners and Vendors are still learning the ins and outs of the car and you're questioning the results of HKS's headers that probably had a couple more months of R&D put into it than Borlas.

Your telling me to get a life when your the one who is coming into this thread knocking on other peoples success/results. Who honestly has the time to do shit like that? Do you honestly think a company with as great as a reputation as HKS would release a product that would perform like shit? I would expect a company like HKS who spent more time developing their header to perform better and cost more. There are lots of companies in Japan that charge MUCH more than HKS for just some headers that probably arent that much better. HKS has always released parts that perform well at a justifiable cost based on the performance. You can tell they do their R&D on these headers and compared to Borlas. This is a great example of when a company does its homework. If you honestly think HKS headers are expensive then you should go look at other companies like Mishimoto or Revolutions headers which all cost 2-3 times as much as HKS.

Borlas headers were released much earlier than most of the other headers for this car. I would say they were one of the first ones to be out if you dont include Agency Powers BS. Do you really think they put out the best possible headers they can when you still see companies like Nameless still working on them a year after they announced there headers are in development? There arent that many headers for this car and just by looking at when Borla released their headers compared to HKS/Nameless's and their R&D and how many revisions they made you can see there was LOTS of room for improvement still. And you act like Borlas was the benchmark for headers to compare to when if anything Borlas headers are a great example of what you get from a company who wants to make money by rushing a product out. You see how many problems they had with quality control/warranties and you really think that there headers will be the best performing when its kinda obvious they rushed theirs out. HKS released their headers months later.. do you really think they were just sitting around not doing anything? A couple months more of R&D is a big difference as we all saw in this thread and that is also a lot more time and money developing the product. Imagine how well Namless's headers will be when its all said and done. Making revisions and doing R&D isnt cheap, then you have to test it. Being the first product out gets you more money but it doesnt get you the best results as we all saw here.

To see a tuner like Drift-Office make such a great tune isnt surprising. If they didnt provide any dyno's that would of been a different story but they gave us plenty of proof. A reputable company like HKS puts out a good part and that surprises you? How do you think they got there name in the first place. They have every right to charge double of what Borla charges when they offer a superior header/product. You dont think maybe they tested other headers from other companies during R&D? I know Perrin did that with their CAI so I wouldnt be surprised if they tested Borlas or any other companies who offer a header and set a price based on how well they faired versus the competition. To get what the numbers in the OP got I would have no problem paying double of what Borlas costs.

[regal]

23 hp gain (with tune) over stock on pump gas and elimination of the torque dip is impressive and bound to make owners of other headers defensive.

As far as the Nameless I think they are designing by trial and error while HKS used SOA computer aided modeling, simulation, optimized design. Just an educated guess, any way I'm saving my money to send to Japan (again.)

Tough part is finding a local tuner, you guys on the west coast are lucky with Drift Office, Delicious, and Vishu. The real east coast Subaru tuners haven't jumped on tuning this platform yet (most are busy with wrx's and didn't buy the EcuTek license.)

[uspspro]

HKS (which has a long history of tuning Toyotas) had this car in their possession months before it ever hit our driveways. Consider that when thinking about R&D time. That was a clear advantage over the parts developers here in the US.

[Drift-Office]

Originally Posted by Fast_Freddy

I read the second sentence, moron. Thanks for keeping your idiocy brief.

I wouldn't worry about the self-centered and self-assertive. They're bound to ostracize themselves eventually when they find less people to align themselves with.

Originally Posted by uspspro

HKS (which has a long history of tuning Toyotas) had this car in their possession months before it ever hit our driveways.

This is 100% true...

Originally Posted by regal

23 hp gain (with tune) over stock on pump gas and elimination of the torque dip is impressive and bound to make owners of other headers defensive.

*AHEM.* You're also assuming that all calibrators tune the same way and will get the same results.

Regards!


Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

[FR-Sizzle]

Originally Posted by regal

23 hp gain (with tune) over stock on pump gas and elimination of the torque dip is impressive and bound to make owners of other headers defensive.

As far as the Nameless I think they are designing by trial and error while HKS used SOA computer aided modeling, simulation, optimized design. Just an educated guess, any way I'm saving my money to send to Japan (again.)

Tough part is finding a local tuner, you guys on the west coast are lucky with Drift Office, Delicious, and Vishu. The real east coast Subaru tuners haven't jumped on tuning this platform yet (most are busy with wrx's and didn't buy the EcuTek license.)

Fast_Freddy is a perfect example of that. Borla headers were one of the first few headers released and its funny how some people like him think that another header getting better results isn't possible on a car that isn't even more than 2 years old.

Originally Posted by uspspro

HKS (which has a long history of tuning Toyotas) had this car in their possession months before it ever hit our driveways. Consider that when thinking about R&D time. That was a clear advantage over the parts developers here in the US.

Exactly and the fact that they released it much later than Borla means that they were testing there headers for a long time. We may not know the exact amount of time they spent developing it but the fact that they released it later than Borla and it got better results isnt surprising and some people like Fast_Freddy think it isn't possible is just being stubborn/ignorant. How can you ignore that Drift-Office gave us multiple dyno charts too.

Its not like Drift-Office tunes only HKS headers. They have tuned Borlas and HKS headers and are simply just giving us the results they got from this customers car. Its great to see them comparing the results from Borlas to HKS headers from different customers cars. Especially since the results they showed us were from customers cars not there own.

Originally Posted by Drift-Office

*AHEM.* You're also assuming that all calibrators tune the same way and will get the same results.

Regards!


Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

Some people need to realize that this car is still new and I am sure tuners like yourselves are still getting better/learning new things about this car as new parts come out.

[regal]

Originally Posted by Drift-Office

*AHEM.* You're also assuming that all calibrators tune the same way and will get the same results.

Regards!


Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

But that's why you should sell the HKS header with a basemap to at least give those of us on the other side of the country a fighting chance.

[ramiram1984]

@Drift-Office, going FI (JR S/C) (as you know I've wanted to do for a while) to add to this set-up. I PM'd you and hopefully we'll work something out (as you're always busy).