Must be getting old

[whtchocla7e]

Originally Posted by dem00n

Same with "Oh, its a car for the car enthusiast!"
The fuck does that mean?

en·thu·si·ast

/enˈTHo͞ozēˌast/




Noun

• A person who is highly interested in a particular activity or subject.
• A person of intense and visionary Christian views.

Synonyms
fan - devotee






Are you saying all people like cars equally?

[dem00n]

Originally Posted by whtchocla7e

en·thu·si·ast

/enˈTHo͞ozēˌast/



Noun

• A person who is highly interested in a particular activity or subject.
• A person of intense and visionary Christian views.

Synonyms
fan - devotee

No, that's not the point. Anyone can look up a word in a big book and tell me what it means.

Look up science while your at it, you'll just drive your self insane.

The term car enthusiast is to generalized, it really means nothing.

Theres so many different types of car people out there, people who only drag race, people who only like Jap cars or American cars, people who only buy cars to do track days and people who only drift.

To say one car can fit all of these "car enthusiasts" is foolish and without thought.

Sure you can use the excuse "Oh, but he only meant people who like RWD cars" but its such an overused term that it can't be used.

Cars is a lot like music.
Okay you like music? What type of music?
Jazz? Metal?

What type of Jazz and Metal?
Death metal, black metal, thrash metal, stoner metal?
Modal Jazz, bebop, jazz fusion?

You can't be too general because it doesn't do justice to anything, but you don't have to be too organized and specific as well. You just have to stop using the word!

Driver car is a whole other argument, that term is somewhat marketing folly as well, along with the term car enthusiasts.

Then you have a factor of what it means to non car people, if you call your self a car enthusiast in front of non car people, they'll just laugh at you inside their head. It sounds too anal, to douchebagish and even inappropriate in some case.

Its like the word maybe.

So call me maybe?

[naikaidriver]

Originally Posted by dem00n

No, that's not the point. Anyone can look up a word in a big book and tell me what it means.

Look up science while your at it, you'll just drive your self insane.

The term car enthusiast is to generalized, it really means nothing.

Theres so many different types of car people out there, people who only drag race, people who only like Jap cars or American cars, people who only buy cars to do track days and people who only drift.

To say one car can fit all of these "car enthusiasts" is foolish and without thought.

Sure you can use the excuse "Oh, but he only meant people who like RWD cars" but its such an overused term that it can't be used.

Cars is a lot like music.
Okay you like music? What type of music?
Jazz? Metal?

What type of Jazz and Metal?
Death metal, black metal, thrash metal, stoner metal?
Modal Jazz, bebop, jazz fusion?

You can't be too general because it doesn't do justice to anything, but you don't have to be too organized and specific as well. You just have to stop using the word!

Driver car is a whole other argument, that term is somewhat marketing folly as well, along with the term car enthusiasts.

Then you have a factor of what it means to non car people, if you call your self a car enthusiast in front of non car people, they'll just laugh at you inside their head. It sounds too anal, to douchebagish and even inappropriate in some case.

Its like the word maybe.

So call me maybe?

I see your point and I see where you are coming from. However, this is your point of view.

I think its fair to say that a person's relationship with their car as well as their motivations for making such a large purchase is highly personal. We see it everyday on this board about how people will debate what makes a "sports car", a "driver's car", or what it means to be an "enthusiast" and the answers are as unique as the people making them. In that regard, you are right with everything you said.

Personally though, I think people that have similar interests, whether it be cars, a certain car, or really anything enjoy interacting with other people with similar interests. Branding themselves "enthusiasts" is a great way to allow people to identify with other similar-minded people.

So while I do understand your point of view, I am still very content to call myself an "FT86 enthusiast".

:happy0180:

Scott

[russv]

Originally Posted by ThugNasty

I agree that it's probably a good idea to start young (on private roads), but at 6 I doubt OP could even see over the steering wheel. Personally I wouldn't let a 6 year old drive my car, considering how immature and irresponsible they are.

If you learned how to drive at age 6 good for you, and I'm sure you're a better driver because of it. But there's no need to brag about it.

Sat on my dad's lap, shifted the gears while he ran the clutch and accelerator-in a vacant lot. Later when I was 10 I really learned to drive on an abandoned airstrip. Wasn't bragging Mr ThugNasty.

[boead]

Originally Posted by naikaidriver

My first experience with import engines was with my 1981 Ford Mustang GL hatchback. It had that crappy 95hp 2.3 Mazda-built 4 cylinder that Ford was using in everything back then.
Scott

I had one of them!! Mine was canary Yellow with black stripes and that horrible interior! That car was a piece of shit! I neat the snot out of it for about a year before I blew the clutch and gear box to shit! It had AC :-)

I later got an 86 GT Black with T-Tops MT 5-speed. Not a bad car, it just fell apart starting around 50k miles, by 125k it was a rattling, leaking, sun-faded beater that I got too much money for. Kids!

[boead]

Originally Posted by dem00n

I wish people would stop throwing around the terms drivers car.

FRS/BRZ isn't a drivers car, its just some car that can corner improperly correctly, if that makes any sense.

You want a drivers car?
Go buy a 911.

Ive seen the FR-S being compared to the Porsche Cayman. Very similar type of car, ride and feel. The Porsche does everything better but not twice the price of! Besides maintenance on a Porsche is insane! Ive wanted to buy one a few times! The 911 is an entirely different animal these days, base is $85k and most are just over $100k (the 911 s or 911 4). The turbos start at near $140k so lets put that into perspective.

Cayman Base Car is $51k, 2.9 l flat 6, 265 hp@7200 rpm, 221 lb at 6000, RWD 6-speed MT, MacPherson Front wheel wishbones, Strut rear, 2930 lbs, 0-60 5.6, 165pmh top speed. 27 mpg HWY. ($7k +/- in tax)

NOW, an older (late 80's) 911 is affordable to not just purchase but to maintain if you allow for it. And I have to tell you, the FR-S is not much different comparing old to new.

OLD Muscle cars drive like SHIT! Even the old Corvettes aren't that awesome. Id MUCH rather drive this new Toyota GT car than lets say a 1984 Corvette. I bet the GT86 out performs it in every way!

Great Video:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUhLXvxlQR4"]Toyota GT86 / Scion FR-S v Nissan 370Z v Used Porsche Cayman S - CHRIS HARRIS ON CARS - YouTube[/ame]
This guy is dead on!

[naikaidriver]

Originally Posted by boead

I had one of them!! Mine was canary Yellow with black stripes and that horrible interior! That car was a piece of shit! I neat the snot out of it for about a year before I blew the clutch and gear box to shit! It had AC :-)

I later got an 86 GT Black with T-Tops MT 5-speed. Not a bad car, it just fell apart starting around 50k miles, by 125k it was a rattling, leaking, sun-faded beater that I got too much money for. Kids!

I remember that color. You have my deepest sympathies!

Mine was that gorgeous burgundy color but it had the awful red interior. After I threw a rod through my oil pan (deliberately) I dropped in a 400chp 351C that I picked up and rebuilt from a 1971 Mach 1 Mustang. After that the car was painted black and the interior was changed to black. It looked much better then.

I still have some (print) pictures of that car and the build in one of my boxes somewhere. It looked real nice parked to my black, 1968 Camaro SS 327 I had back then too.

Scott

[rhoyle]

Originally Posted by boead

Ive seen the FR-S being compared to the Porsche Cayman. Very similar type of car, ride and feel. The Porsche does everything better but not twice the price of! Besides maintenance on a Porsche is insane! Ive wanted to buy one a few times! The 911 is an entirely different animal these days, base is $85k and most are just over $100k (the 911 s or 911 4). The turbos start at near $140k so lets put that into perspective.

The FR-S doesn't ride or feel like a Cayman. And it's certainly not a similar type of car. My previous car was a Cayman S.

[RAWR BRZ]

Originally Posted by rhoyle

The FR-S doesn't ride or feel like a Cayman. And it's certainly not a similar type of car. My previous car was a Cayman S.

+1 In addition to improve the car that much yet retain all the comfort features is in a way costly too.

[rhoyle]

One thing I'm learning and am a bit disappointed in is the usability / practicality of the FR-S/BRZ FOR ME isn't as good as the Cayman was. For example, putting golf clubs in the Cayman was simple and quick. I could carry two sets and a large suitcase no problem. In my BRZ, I have to put the seat down to get the clubs in. Annoying.

[boead]

Originally Posted by rhoyle

The FR-S doesn't ride or feel like a Cayman. And it's certainly not a similar type of car. My previous car was a Cayman S.

The Cayman S is $62k and the NEW model is $65k.
Most Similar, how about that?
BMW ??
Honda ?? maybe some.

Scion FR-S
148 kW (200 hp) at 7,000 RPM
0-100 kph: 6.2 s
Top Track Speed: 225 kph
Weight: 2,758 lbs
$24,200

Cayman
195 kW (265 hp) at 7,200 rpm
0-100 kph: 5.8 s
Top Track Speed: 265 kph
Weight: 2,954 lbs
lbs/hp: 11.15
$ 51,900

Cayman S
235 kW (320 hp) at 7,200 rpm
0-100 kph: 5.2 s
Top Track Speed: 277 kph
Weight: 2,976 lbs
$ 62,100

[boead]

Originally Posted by naikaidriver

I remember that color. You have my deepest sympathies!

Mine was that gorgeous burgundy color but it had the awful red interior. After I threw a rod through my oil pan (deliberately) I dropped in a 400chp 351C that I picked up and rebuilt from a 1971 Mach 1 Mustang. After that the car was painted black and the interior was changed to black. It looked much better then.

I still have some (print) pictures of that car and the build in one of my boxes somewhere. It looked real nice parked to my black, 1968 Camaro SS 327 I had back then too.

Scott

I had an Aspen Wagon and a K-Car once too :-/ 75MPH was about top speed, if you dared!

My buddy has a rare 71 351 BOSS. Low miles car but its been through a few motors. Years ago he pulled a 351C Australian from a VERY wrecked Pantara this guy had in the tri-state area. Blew that one a couple of years later. Best was a 351C 550HP Jack Merkel. The shear force!
I had a very well re-build street rod, an 80 Z28 that just layed waste to old muscle cars and big blocks. SO MUCH HP!! SO HARD TO STOP!!

[boead]

Originally Posted by rhoyle

One thing I'm learning and am a bit disappointed in is the usability / practicality of the FR-S/BRZ FOR ME isn't as good as the Cayman was. For example, putting golf clubs in the Cayman was simple and quick. I could carry two sets and a large suitcase no problem. In my BRZ, I have to put the seat down to get the clubs in. Annoying.

I wanted a hatchback too! There is NO good reason why this FR-S isn't a hatchback!
The Cayman is smart, well thought out and not cramped like the Boxster.

I have an RSX too, its about the same size and shape but roomier inside and more inviting to be comfortable. That car is also MUCH more polite and "luxury minded" - quieter, smoother motor, non cramped interior. I commonly take my 2 kids (teens) away for a week with room enough. No reason to ever sell that car until its done and the way it is at 200k its going to see 300!

The FR-S is cramped, loud, jumpy and road rough. Its fun for the driver but not the passenger(s). Again, it needed to be a hatchback!

[rhoyle]

Originally Posted by boead

The Cayman S is $62k and the NEW model is $65k.
Most Similar, how about that?
BMW ??
Honda ?? maybe some.

Scion FR-S
148 kW (200 hp) at 7,000 RPM
0-100 kph: 6.2 s
Top Track Speed: 225 kph
Weight: 2,758 lbs
$24,200

Cayman
195 kW (265 hp) at 7,200 rpm
0-100 kph: 5.8 s
Top Track Speed: 265 kph
Weight: 2,954 lbs
lbs/hp: 11.15
$ 51,900

Cayman S
235 kW (320 hp) at 7,200 rpm
0-100 kph: 5.2 s
Top Track Speed: 277 kph
Weight: 2,976 lbs
$ 62,100

Not sure what you're getting at here, but you seem to be wanting to compare a front engine 4cylinder to a mid-engined 6 cylinder. I haven't ever driven a Cayman, just the Cayman S (back when they were sub 300 HP), and I can tell you that the driving experience is NOTHING like the FR-S/BRZ. But don't take my word for it, just watch the video and see the way the cars behave and listen to what he's saying. They're not similar cars.