Agency Power Exhaust Thread PT II

[MKIV]

Originally Posted by vividracing

I'm having to look over this whole thread and go from there. Yes I was also looking for a local with a stock car. I think this is going to clear up a lot of the B.S. in this thread.
This stuff just takes some time to get someone in here to run their car.

As I get some updates I will post them.

Did you guys not develop this on an actual car? Did you not run the car on its stock form and after each of the subsequent mods? Since you're posting numbers for each stage, how do you know these numbers unless you measured them?

The numbers posted just doesn't make sense. Nor does the posted dyno graph. Lot of questions but not a lot of credible answers.

[Bacon]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Wait...unicorns aren't real?????

They all went extinct.

[ttknf]

Originally Posted by MKIV

Did you guys not develop this on an actual car? Did you not run the car on its stock form and after each of the subsequent mods? Since you're posting numbers for each stage, how do you know these numbers unless you measured them?

The numbers posted just doesn't make sense. Nor does the posted dyno graph. Lot of questions but not a lot of credible answers.

I'm not trying to bring up a shit storm here, but there have been similar issues like this before with AP parts - claims with no real R&D. My question regarding R&D from earlier in the thread got glossed over and I'm really curious about who's actually doing the engineering and testing on these.

[Chewie4299]

Originally Posted by vividracing

I'm having to look over this whole thread and go from there. Yes I was also looking for a local with a stock car. I think this is going to clear up a lot of the B.S. in this thread.
This stuff just takes some time to get someone in here to run their car.

As I get some updates I will post them.

A few points I'd like to make...

First, referring to legitimate questions from forum members, every one a potential customer, in your own thread as BS really says a lot about you and your company. I just reread this thread and there is a few stupid comments but the bulk of what is being asked of you IS legitimate. Take a cue from some excellent product threads by other vendors in this sub forum... be proactive, honest and straight forward. Telling us something that sounds too good to be true without proper details of how you arrived at that point doesn't go very far. You may score some immediate sales from impressionable members with hair triggers on their credit cards but the guys that go the extra mile to show what they've got and how they got there are going to get far more business.

(Sorry if that sounds like I'm bashing you, I'm not. I'm giving you honest feedback from a potential customer's point of view. That sort of thing should be invaluable to you. I know it is in my line of work.)

Second, I'd like to agree with others at this point that are asking for in dependant testing. This is because of how this has been presented. If I were told up front that brand X exhaust was shown in their shop to make 10whp without a tune I'd probably believe it. Again, this depends on how it is presented. I'd anticipate something solid and satisfying when combined with some tuning. But when brand Y says their exhaust makes twice as much power without a good reason as to why I find it difficult to believe.

Lastly, the R&D on this product was not documented? How can an exhaust be developed and put into production without dynos and notes on certain design decisions and so on?

I understand the instinct to get defensive when these questions are asked and arguments are made but, again, I'll caution you. Step back and look at how you can put something together to address as many concerns as possible in a tactful manner. A skeptical customer, much like a customer that comes back to you with a complaint or issue, is a valuable opportunity. You may never see another dime from or hear back from a customer that simply plugs their card in on your website to place an order. A customer or potential customer that engages you on any level is presenting you with an opportunity to earn their business by resolving their issue or answering their question or concern quickly, truthfully, and completely.

I switched to Verizon several years ago when I was dissatisfied with at&t. I've never been disappointed in the quality of their product or coverage but ultimately it was the way they've handled any issues that have come up since that has secured them a loyal customer for life.


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[_hollywood]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Wait...unicorns aren't real?????

When the f#% did we get ice cream?


AP keep up the good work

[sho220]

Originally Posted by ttknf

I'm really curious about who's actually doing the engineering and testing on these.

Unicorns I bet...

[Hawaiian]

Originally Posted by Chewie4299

A few points I'd like to make...

First, referring to legitimate questions from forum members, every one a potential customer, in your own thread as BS really says a lot about you and your company. I just reread this thread and there is a few stupid comments but the bulk of what is being asked of you IS legitimate. Take a cue from some excellent product threads by other vendors in this sub forum... be proactive, honest and straight forward. Telling us something that sounds too good to be true without proper details of how you arrived at that point doesn't go very far. You may score some immediate sales from impressionable members with hair triggers on their credit cards but the guys that go the extra mile to show what they've got and how they got there are going to get far more business.

(Sorry if that sounds like I'm bashing you, I'm not. I'm giving you honest feedback from a potential customer's point of view. That sort of thing should be invaluable to you. I know it is in my line of work.)

Second, I'd like to agree with others at this point that are asking for in dependant testing. This is because of how this has been presented. If I were told up front that brand X exhaust was shown in their shop to make 10whp without a tune I'd probably believe it. Again, this depends on how it is presented. I'd anticipate something solid and satisfying when combined with some tuning. But when brand Y says their exhaust makes twice as much power without a good reason as to why I find it difficult to believe.

Lastly, the R&D on this product was not documented? How can an exhaust be developed and put into production without dynos and notes on certain design decisions and so on?

I understand the instinct to get defensive when these questions are asked and arguments are made but, again, I'll caution you. Step back and look at how you can put something together to address as many concerns as possible in a tactful manner. A skeptical customer, much like a customer that comes back to you with a complaint or issue, is a valuable opportunity. You may never see another dime from or hear back from a customer that simply plugs their card in on your website to place an order. A customer or potential customer that engages you on any level is presenting you with an opportunity to earn their business by resolving their issue or answering their question or concern quickly, truthfully, and completely.

I switched to Verizon several years ago when I was dissatisfied with at&t. I've never been disappointed in the quality of their product or coverage but ultimately it was the way they've handled any issues that have come up since that has secured them a loyal customer for life.


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I brought up these same questions and points on the last thread and got ripped for it.

[jedibow]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Wait...unicorns aren't real?????

they are real... They live on everyday powering Wankel engines

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by jedibow

they are real... They live on everyday powering Wankel engines

Hmmm... I always thought it was fairies that pushed the magical triangles around...

[jedibow]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Hmmm... I always thought it was fairies that pushed the magical triangles around...

No it's pixies and there efforts create unicorn power

G

[Auto-Hauss]

I didn't know vivid was such a hard group of people to deal with. I bought a AP single back in 2007 for my 350Z and loved it. It has since been my only purchase from them. I come across this thread thinking "alright I liked AP before, I'm set to buy again!"

Then some very legitimate questions haven't been answered. That don't necessarily need a someone's car to answer. Did you mislabel dynos? Yes or No if you did why? Where you trying to mislead people? Yes or no... so on and so forth...

Will this mean I'm not going to buy a AP(vivid) product... hummm... not necessarily. If they come forth and just explain what happened and then get a stock car in there to run a baseline and then a exhaust dyno run. If it shows proper gains I'll still buy it.

Just communicate with your potential customers because right now you are not doing a great job defending said chain of events(labeled dyno runs).

[whiteout fr-s]

Ok guys, I ordered the headers and catback exhaust and I got a perrin crank pulley. I'm tired of the negativity. I will dyno before and after and post results for all. I'll post real world results and hope for the best.

sent from my HTC one s

[whiteout fr-s]

If you want me to dyno the lightweight flywheel I will do that too but need to know the cost.

sent from my HTC one s

[Mr. Sociable]

Originally Posted by ExiledLakai

Then some very legitimate questions haven't been answered. That don't necessarily need a someone's car to answer. Did you mislabel dynos? Yes or No if you did why? Where you trying to mislead people? Yes or no... so on and so forth...

Bingo. everything I posted about can be answered without any other people being involved. Vivid has already posted in this thread and has not taken the time to explain the discrepancies I've pointed out. Tell us what's going on with the changes form the last exhaust thread to this one and the questionable names/order/dates/times of your dyno graphs.

Originally Posted by Chewie4299

First, referring to legitimate questions from forum members, every one a potential customer, in your own thread as BS really says a lot about you and your company. I just reread this thread and there is a few stupid comments but the bulk of what is being asked of you IS legitimate.

Again, bingo. None of what I (or many other people) asked is "BS" at all. Why haven't you responded with straightforward answers to those questions? The multi-quote tool is a fantastic way to do this. See this post for an example.

Originally Posted by whiteout fr-s

Ok guys, I ordered the headers and catback exhaust and I got a perrin crank pulley. I'm tired of the negativity. I will dyno before and after and post results for all. I'll post real world results and hope for the best.

sent from my HTC one s

Looking forward to your results. A baseline + individual part dynos as you add them would be the most helpful!