FR-S / FT-86 Concepts: Mk1 vs. Mk2 vs. Mk3 - Page 5 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Fortunate Few · 04-21-2011, 05:08 AM

i think a mixture of the mk2 and mk3 would be amazing

mk2 front bumper and head lights
mk3 bumper/hood vent
mk3's lack of fake vents
mk3 trunk
mk2 toyota badges
mk2 rear diffuser and exhaust
mk3 rear windshield
i like both tail lights

EJ20 · 04-21-2011, 05:35 AM

Well I guess in the end we'll see something different (if any MK make it to production):
ex:

From this....

to this

TheRoadWarrior · 04-21-2011, 05:35 AM

Its tricky- agree with others that the Mk1 is the cleanest and purest design; but also its not 'finished' the car was never going to look like that. Mk2 is horrible, sorry but it is- its fussy, the roof line is from an SUV and it looses all the subtle aggression of the first concept.

I really like the Mk3, its winning me over! It reminds me of the Mk1 but at the same time its modern and exciting and really dynamic looking.

We dont have Scion in the UK but I understand they're a toyota sub-brand a bit like Lexus. If this car is to be global will the UK and other countries get the Scion brand or will we get a toyota branded car?

What I dont understand though is the timing of the Mk3 concept- the Mk2 was only shown recently but the styling of the Scion car seems to be a complete departure from it- will 2 cars be released? One branded toyota and one Scion?

TheRoadWarrior · 04-21-2011, 05:37 AM

Also the Mk3 reminds me of the Ferrari 458- but bizzarly I dont actually like the 458 design, to me it looks rather unbalanced.. where as the FR-S looks great!!

[es vi: eks] · 04-21-2011, 05:37 AM

I like the mk3.
It sort of reminds me of a minture Ferrari

closely followed by the Mk1

ft86cbx · 04-21-2011, 06:06 AM

For me the biggest design factor between the 3 is the roofline/windscreen.

The MK2 just looks awful in comparison to MK1 and MK3.

I understand why they did it, but I think this is one time id take form over function!

Toyota PLEASE revert the roofline if your running with the MK2 in europe!

Infernal · 04-21-2011, 06:10 AM

i like the mk 3 apart from:

stupid brakes
scion written on the back (though im from uk, we wont get that

)
the little lip thing on the front fender, before the bonnet
massive rear diffuser, needs toning down a little

it's hard to picture what a euro version will look like - we have a different shape number/liscence plate to the us & japan the rear of the uk 350z and IV supra are good examples of how the bumpers need to change

.... also, if you US guys want toyota badges from the uk car im sure a few members will be happy to send UK/Euro versions over to you lol.

SUB-FT86 · 04-21-2011, 08:14 AM

I see that a lot of you guys think a sports car should just be simple and clean. I disagree. This isnt a town car sports car. I love design details and sporting aggression in a sports car. Mk1 is good looking but too tame like a miata. Mk2 was weird looking and the proportions was stubby looking. Mk3 is a baby exotic and I am in love with the idea of a car that looks like 150k for 25k. Exotic>Simple anyday.

iff2mastamatt · 04-21-2011, 10:49 AM

I still like the MKII, but the III is growing on me fast. I like them all!

Zorro · 04-21-2011, 10:50 AM

looking back at the mk2 now it looks really ugly. The 1 still looks clean, and the 3 has the best lines. If they clean up the rear diffuser, give it some clean rims/real brakes, a real mirror, and a nice interior and I will totally buy it.

The scion thing still has me a little iffy, I will definally be waiting to see what Subaru puts on the table.

Also the next gen z, but if it is a preformance hybrid like rumors are saying (I speciulate it will also.) I'm out. No way I'm gonna drive a pig heavy hybrid even if it has 400lbs/tq.

Archer256 · 04-21-2011, 10:55 AM

Ya know guys, just cuz it's a Scion doesnt mean the UK version or something will be different, slap a Toyota badge on this concept and this is what you're gunna be getting.

iff2mastamatt · 04-21-2011, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archer256

Ya know guys, just cuz it's a Scion doesnt mean the UK version or something will be different, slap a Toyota badge on this concept and this is what you're gunna be getting.

Yeah, now I wonder how the Euro/NA version will combine.

midenginebias · 04-21-2011, 11:19 AM

The best sports cars in the price range are simple.

Though, I am hoping there's an 18" or 19" wheel diameter with a rear diffuser and wing as a "Sport Package" option.

DrunkenMime · 04-21-2011, 11:27 AM

MkIII > MKI > MKII

You guys forget the MKI was not really road ready...meaning it didn't have the crash bars and all the safety requirements taken into consideration so even though it looks really good, it was never going to make it into production as is. They had to tweak the design to make it roadworthy.

That leaves MKII and MKIII and between those two, it's no contest...MKIII wins hands down. Just too bad they couldn't keep the MKI's tail lights. That's the only thing I really miss from the first concept.

MKIII is labelled a concept but for all intensive purposes, I think it's pretty close to the production model except for the rear splitter, wheels, brakes and side mirrors.

View Poll Results: Which version do you like the best so far (as is no speculation what will change)
Mk1	27	19.42%
Mk2	12	8.63%
Mk3	92	66.19%
Can't decide yet	8	5.76%
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04-21-2011, 06:10 AM	#63
Infernal NO FI?! (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ Join Date: Feb 2010 Drives: BMW e92 330D Location: Cheshire, England Posts: 362 Thanks: 34 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Mentioned: 0 Post(s)	i like the mk 3 apart from: stupid brakes scion written on the back (though im from uk, we wont get that ) the little lip thing on the front fender, before the bonnet massive rear diffuser, needs toning down a little it's hard to picture what a euro version will look like - we have a different shape number/liscence plate to the us & japan the rear of the uk 350z and IV supra are good examples of how the bumpers need to change .... also, if you US guys want toyota badges from the uk car im sure a few members will be happy to send UK/Euro versions over to you lol. __________________

04-21-2011, 05:08 AM	#57
Fortunate Few will photoshop for ft86 Join Date: Mar 2011 Drives: 07 Mazda RX8 Location: Upland,CA Posts: 281 Thanks: 10 Thanked 15 Times in 12 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s)	i think a mixture of the mk2 and mk3 would be amazing mk2 front bumper and head lights mk3 bumper/hood vent mk3's lack of fake vents mk3 trunk mk2 toyota badges mk2 rear diffuser and exhaust mk3 rear windshield i like both tail lights

04-21-2011, 05:35 AM	#58
EJ20 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Drives: NA8C, GDB, and R50 Location: Qatar Posts: 311 Thanks: 18 Thanked 19 Times in 13 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s)	Well I guess in the end we'll see something different (if any MK make it to production): ex: From this.... to this

04-21-2011, 05:35 AM	#59
TheRoadWarrior Much damage? Join Date: Nov 2009 Drives: Renaultsport Clio200 Location: UK Posts: 68 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s)	Its tricky- agree with others that the Mk1 is the cleanest and purest design; but also its not 'finished' the car was never going to look like that. Mk2 is horrible, sorry but it is- its fussy, the roof line is from an SUV and it looses all the subtle aggression of the first concept. I really like the Mk3, its winning me over! It reminds me of the Mk1 but at the same time its modern and exciting and really dynamic looking. We dont have Scion in the UK but I understand they're a toyota sub-brand a bit like Lexus. If this car is to be global will the UK and other countries get the Scion brand or will we get a toyota branded car? What I dont understand though is the timing of the Mk3 concept- the Mk2 was only shown recently but the styling of the Scion car seems to be a complete departure from it- will 2 cars be released? One branded toyota and one Scion?

04-21-2011, 05:37 AM	#60
TheRoadWarrior Much damage? Join Date: Nov 2009 Drives: Renaultsport Clio200 Location: UK Posts: 68 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s)	Also the Mk3 reminds me of the Ferrari 458- but bizzarly I dont actually like the 458 design, to me it looks rather unbalanced.. where as the FR-S looks great!!

04-21-2011, 05:37 AM	#61
[es vi: eks] Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Drives: Subaru Legacy Location: NZ, Christchurch, The Shakey Isles Posts: 322 Thanks: 41 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s)	I like the mk3. It sort of reminds me of a minture Ferrari closely followed by the Mk1

04-21-2011, 06:06 AM	#62
ft86cbx Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Drives: FT86 (Soon) Location: UK Posts: 335 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Mentioned: 0 Post(s)	For me the biggest design factor between the 3 is the roofline/windscreen. The MK2 just looks awful in comparison to MK1 and MK3. I understand why they did it, but I think this is one time id take form over function! Toyota PLEASE revert the roofline if your running with the MK2 in europe!

04-21-2011, 08:14 AM	#64
SUB-FT86 86 Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Drives: 2013 Toyota 86 2.0T (Asphalt) Location: Atlanta, Ga Posts: 3,129 Thanks: 126 Thanked 527 Times in 296 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s)	I see that a lot of you guys think a sports car should just be simple and clean. I disagree. This isnt a town car sports car. I love design details and sporting aggression in a sports car. Mk1 is good looking but too tame like a miata. Mk2 was weird looking and the proportions was stubby looking. Mk3 is a baby exotic and I am in love with the idea of a car that looks like 150k for 25k. Exotic>Simple anyday.

04-21-2011, 10:49 AM	#65
iff2mastamatt Feeling Iffy? Join Date: Oct 2010 Drives: it like I stole it Location: DC Posts: 1,041 Thanks: 31 Thanked 23 Times in 12 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s)	I still like the MKII, but the III is growing on me fast. I like them all!

04-21-2011, 10:50 AM	#66
Zorro Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Drives: G35 V36 6MT Location: S. FL Posts: 75 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s)	looking back at the mk2 now it looks really ugly. The 1 still looks clean, and the 3 has the best lines. If they clean up the rear diffuser, give it some clean rims/real brakes, a real mirror, and a nice interior and I will totally buy it. The scion thing still has me a little iffy, I will definally be waiting to see what Subaru puts on the table. Also the next gen z, but if it is a preformance hybrid like rumors are saying (I speciulate it will also.) I'm out. No way I'm gonna drive a pig heavy hybrid even if it has 400lbs/tq.

04-21-2011, 10:55 AM	#67
Archer256 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Drives: TSX Location: US Posts: 173 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s)	Ya know guys, just cuz it's a Scion doesnt mean the UK version or something will be different, slap a Toyota badge on this concept and this is what you're gunna be getting.

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04-21-2011, 11:19 AM	#69
midenginebias Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Drives: 2001 Mr2 Spyder Location: OC Posts: 127 Thanks: 10 Thanked 20 Times in 9 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s)	The best sports cars in the price range are simple. Though, I am hoping there's an 18" or 19" wheel diameter with a rear diffuser and wing as a "Sport Package" option.

04-21-2011, 11:27 AM	#70
DrunkenMime Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Drives: IS300 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 161 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s)	MkIII > MKI > MKII You guys forget the MKI was not really road ready...meaning it didn't have the crash bars and all the safety requirements taken into consideration so even though it looks really good, it was never going to make it into production as is. They had to tweak the design to make it roadworthy. That leaves MKII and MKIII and between those two, it's no contest...MKIII wins hands down. Just too bad they couldn't keep the MKI's tail lights. That's the only thing I really miss from the first concept. MKIII is labelled a concept but for all intensive purposes, I think it's pretty close to the production model except for the rear splitter, wheels, brakes and side mirrors.