Am I the only one who thinks a swapped 86 is no longer an 86?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by LOLS2K

Nah put it away. This is a subjective debate and therefore there is not "right" or "wrong" answer.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by gramicci101

That's where they get the leather for the interior.

I KNEW IT!!!!!!!

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Cole

Hell, there's still people on here who don't realize that the twins' silhouette is that of a 2000GT.

???
2000GT is a very cab-rearward 2-seater, with seats right in front of the rear wheels and base of windshield WAY aft of the front wheels. 49F/51R weight distribution.
Twins are a mid-cab 2+2 coupe, with driver and front passenger situated in the middle of the wheelbase well forward of the rear wheels, and windshield base not far aft of the front wheels. 54F/46R weight distribution.
Very different sillhouettes!


Twins aren't the second coming of the 2000GT or of the AE86. They are the 2nd coming of the S13 240SX. Which is great! But they should make a cab-rearward 2-seat modern 2000GT on the platform. Same wheelbase as twins, but with the engine/firewall/windshield/driver shoved a good 20" or so aft...

[LOLS2K]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Nah put it away. This is a subjective debate and therefore there is not "right" or "wrong" answer.

I like where this has gone, and there are valid points on both sides.
This popcorn is a different flavor

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Tokay444

Knowing people who have undergone such surgeries, my resounding answer is NO!!. They are NOT the same person they were before becoming so deathly ill that the needed these transplants.

Apt analogy.

[Tokay444]

Originally Posted by gramicci101

But it can still be called an FRS or BRZ. Those titles have nothing to do with the 86mm square motor.

Correct.

[JazzleSAURUS]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I have no concern at all if somebody swaps an engine since I have zero sentiment in maintaining the "soul" of the car or any of that mystic car culture stuff. What bugs me is when somebody swaps and then claims to have the fastest drag time (or any other thing like that) for a Twin. It is no longer a Twin at that point and should not be claimed to represent them.
Back in the 70s I had a built engine in an old 64 Econoline van that would stomp on most Mustangs or Camaros of the time. Would it be even slightly accurate for me to say that 64 Econoline vans were faster than muscle cars?

Agreed with your logic.

Sometimes I have to preface the discussion of my forester with 'it's not really much of a forester anymore...'

Built motor, ported heads, STi turbo, IC, trans, all emissions systems deleted, 4/2 pots, every suspension component replaced with either STi or aftermarket.

It's pretty much a built STi in a Forester shell at this point.

[Summerwolf]

Still the same car, just better in most regards.


LS swaps wind up being about the same overall weight and alot of the swaps done professionally have somehow improved F/R balance over the flat four.


I think a good V8 swap still retains most of the "spirit" of the car over a built FA20 and forced induction anyways..... to an extent.

[Tokay444]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

Still the same car, just better in most regards.


LS swaps wind up being about the same overall weight and alot of the swaps done professionally have somehow improved F/R balance over the flat four.


I think a good V8 swap still retains most of the "spirit" of the car over a built FA20 and forced induction anyways..... to an extent.

But without an 86mm bore and stroke, you can't call it an 86.
Put a V8 with an 86mm bore and stroke and call it an 86.

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I KNEW IT!!!!!!!

A Mustang is a pony car, and with all this shouting, I'm getting a little hoarse.

[Jajanken86]

Originally Posted by Tokay444

But without an 86mm bore and stroke, you can't call it an 86.
Put a V8 with an 86mm bore and stroke and call it an 86.

Lol how about an FA20 with the Cusco 2.1L internals? Makes the stroke increase to like 92mm or something like that

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[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Apt analogy.

Again a REPAIR to the original state. Now if they took all the body panels off and replaced from a different vehicle what would you have.

[Tokay444]

Originally Posted by Jajanken86

Lol how about an FA20 with the Cusco 2.1L internals? Makes the stroke increase to like 92mm or something like that

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I guess that would make it an 86/92. Or a 92/86.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Again a REPAIR to the original state. Now if they took all the body panels off and replaced from a different vehicle what would you have.