Edelbrock E-Force Supercharger

[MaximeT]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

The thermostat governs the lowest coolant temp your engine (should) will see. No need for it, IMO.

Petrolheads are too much concerned with low engine temp. You don't want to ruin your street driving with low engine temp.

I work for a manufacturer that build shit cars, but we can still build an engine with a 106C regulation for the street. It makes for better efficiency.

Under hard driving conditions we instantly switch back to 90C regulation.

Running a street car under 80C is totally stupid.

As the manufacturer knows people are stupid, we will always set the display temp on the dashboard to 90C. If the temp is between 70 and 109C, we tell the driver it's 90C.
It's fun when you read a review of the car, and the journalist says the thermo management is great because the gauge stay always in the middle

[Porcupint]

Originally Posted by Freeman

This is now edlebrock vs cosworth. Come one Harrop get in the game already

It's out. https://www.harrop.com.au/tvs86

[Freeman]

Originally Posted by Porcupint

It's out. https://www.harrop.com.au/tvs86

I know. I'm hoping to see it in the U.S. soon.

[MisterSheep]

Any word on Edelbrock coming out with a FMIC for this for people with increased boost levels?

[civicdrivr]

Originally Posted by MisterSheep

Any word on Edelbrock coming out with a FMIC for this for people with increased boost levels?

I'm not trying to sound like a d!ck, but how would they go about doing that, and how would it benefit increased boost levels?

[MisterSheep]

Originally Posted by civicdrivr

I'm not trying to sound like a d!ck, but how would they go about doing that, and how would it benefit increased boost levels?

I've seen FMIC setups before on a twin screw. Normal twin screw superchargers can only handle so much boost before they need an outside intercooler to cool the extra air.

[civicdrivr]

Originally Posted by MisterSheep

I've seen FMIC setups before on a twin screw. Normal twin screw superchargers can only handle so much boost before they need an outside intercooler to cool the extra air.

I get that, but the current design of the manifold doesn't really allow for that. You'd have to tap into the intake tract post blower but pre cylinder heads, which would require new manifold castings.

As it is, the existing cooler lives in the manifold between the blower and intake runners.

[sickmint79]

Originally Posted by MaximeT

Petrolheads are too much concerned with low engine temp. You don't want to ruin your street driving with low engine temp.

I work for a manufacturer that build shit cars, but we can still build an engine with a 106C regulation for the street. It makes for better efficiency.

Under hard driving conditions we instantly switch back to 90C regulation.

Running a street car under 80C is totally stupid.

As the manufacturer knows people are stupid, we will always set the display temp on the dashboard to 90C. If the temp is between 70 and 109C, we tell the driver it's 90C.
It's fun when you read a review of the car, and the journalist says the thermo management is great because the gauge stay always in the middle

hmm why did i think you might work in france even before reading your info on the side??

[350matt]

Originally Posted by MaximeT

Petrolheads are too much concerned with low engine temp. You don't want to ruin your street driving with low engine temp.

I work for a manufacturer that build shit cars, but we can still build an engine with a 106C regulation for the street. It makes for better efficiency.

Under hard driving conditions we instantly switch back to 90C regulation.

Running a street car under 80C is totally stupid.

As the manufacturer knows people are stupid, we will always set the display temp on the dashboard to 90C. If the temp is between 70 and 109C, we tell the driver it's 90C.
It's fun when you read a review of the car, and the journalist says the thermo management is great because the gauge stay always in the middle

sounds like your cars have a new fangled electric thermostat if you can switch coolant temps with duty cycle, the FRS has an old fashioned mechanical stat - you have to pick a temp

and I think the cosworth stat lowers things by 10°C so the coolant sits at 82° instead of 92°C
probably allows a bit more spark, and to hell with the small loss in brake specific fuel consumption

[MaximeT]

Originally Posted by sickmint79

hmm why did i think you might work in france even before reading your info on the side??

Congratulations
You made my day.

[MaximeT]

Originally Posted by 350matt

sounds like your cars have a new fangled electric thermostat if you can switch coolant temps with duty cycle, the FRS has an old fashioned mechanical stat - you have to pick a temp

and I think the cosworth stat lowers things by 10°C so the coolant sits at 82° instead of 92°C
probably allows a bit more spark, and to hell with the small loss in brake specific fuel consumption

As long as you're over 80C that's reasonable.

[BigFatFlip]

Originally Posted by MisterSheep

I've seen FMIC setups before on a twin screw. Normal twin screw superchargers can only handle so much boost before they need an outside intercooler to cool the extra air.

Are you talking about non-intercooled twin screw set-ups? Technically, the Edelbrock does have a FMIC, granted its a water-to-air vs an air-to-air FMIC, which is what I think you are saying.

Originally Posted by civicdrivr

I get that, but the current design of the manifold doesn't really allow for that. You'd have to tap into the intake tract post blower but pre cylinder heads, which would require new manifold castings.

As it is, the existing cooler lives in the manifold between the blower and intake runners.

Exactly, if you look at Edelbrock's intake design, its very obvious that they meant to make the air path as short and straight as possible, which is probably why they went with a W2A intercooler.

[350matt]

It'll be interesting to see how much boost this thing runs to get its target power as if you're too short on runner length you need more boost to get the power up as th engine tune speed is out of sync with the maximum engine speed

if you look at the stock manifold the runners on that are pretty long

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by 350matt

It'll be interesting to see how much boost this thing runs to get its target power as if you're too short on runner length you need more boost to get the power up as th engine tune speed is out of sync with the maximum engine speed

if you look at the stock manifold the runners on that are pretty long

Longer runners are typically so that you get more lower end torque, not so you get more top end power...

Jaden