FR-S vs. 370z, end all be all of discussions

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Turbowned

That's completely debatable. However it can certainly be argued that it would be cheaper to run an FT86 than a 370Z on the track because it's lower weight, skinnier tires, smaller brakes, less fluids, etc. Your consumables cost would be significantly less, and in addition to them being smaller, the FT86 would probably wear tires and brakes slower because it is a lighter car; i.e. less mass to throw around and slow down.

Context of modding it. Spending the same $ amount on wheels and tires, for example. The FT86 twins would probably see a better improvement than the Z. But the Z still has a head start, so to speak, and will still improve. But probably not by as much. Diminishing returns.

[Turbowned]

All I know is, nothing short of an engine swap will eliminate that horrible, coarse engine sound! I waited 3 years to drive a 370Z, and now that I'm finally in a financial position to afford one, I was ready to sell my 240Z and move up. What a disappointment! I'm so glad the FT86 twins came along just in time.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by Turbowned

That's certainly debatable. Stock-for-stock, the 370Z is already at a significant advantage, with a power:weight ratio of 9.8:1 (that's quick!), against the FT86's 13.8:1. Getting the FT86's power:weight ratio to eclipse that of the 370Z for the same or less money could be pretty tough.

However, it can certainly be argued that it would be cheaper to run an FT86 than a 370Z on the track because it's lower weight, skinnier tires, smaller brakes, less fluids, etc. Your consumables cost would be significantly less, and in addition to them being smaller, the FT86 would probably wear tires and brakes slower because it is a lighter car; i.e. less mass to throw around and slow down. It also returns better fuel economy, so you'd burn less gas after your lapping session, too.

+1 This to me is the biggest advantage of the BRZ over the 370z. Over the lifetime of the car, it should be significantly cheaper to track/auto-x the car than a 370z. And as Subaru execs love to harp on about, you can throw in a set of track tires/wheels and a jack in the BRZ.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by fatoni

if you really believe that just buy a smart car and have the best car ever. i bet theres room for a better engine in the z than the frs. also room for more tire. im not sure if you are trying to say that back seats are a performance upgrade advantage but that doesnt make any sense

Originally Posted by fatoni

would you mind showing me where i said that

"Better engine" only available at higher displacement and more cylinders.
It probably doesn't mean exactly what I think, but it proves my original point that I didn't say I would swap IS-F for 10K.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Dark

"Better engine" only available at higher displacement and more cylinders.
It probably doesn't mean exactly what I think, but it proves my original point that I didn't say I would swap IS-F for 10K.

i can never tell what you are arguing. are you trying to tell me that there is more room in the engine bay of an frs than a 370z? what is your orignial point and how does this prove it?

[Dark]

Originally Posted by fatoni

i can never tell what you are arguing. are you trying to tell me that there is more room in the engine bay of an frs than a 370z? what is your orignial point and how does this prove it?

Ok, I was saying that if you want to go crazy with power, engine swap, and all that stuff, pick FR-S and save thousands. The engine bays of both cars are very comparable, 370Z doesn't have advantage here.

And then, I'm talking about realistic modification that I would want to do. FR-S/BRZ has more mod potential than the Z, IMO.

[YukiHachiRoku]

get a grip gentlemen* (no pun intended)

[gtslow]

This thread has so much disinformation, speculation and downright idiocy I about fell out of my seat laughing. The 370z and FRS are so different in their target market and purpose that it is just unfair to try and compare them. The 370z is a fantastic car that outperforms cars well over its msrp. The FRS looks to be shaping up the same way. That being said, each car has their strengths and weaknesses.

By all means please spend 10k trying to make the FRS as fast as the Nissan. After your turbo kit you will no longer have a warranty, gas mileage and reliability the stool stock Nissan has.

I have a better idea: spend 2k on rims and ties then the rest of your hard earned money on HPDE events so you can actually learn how to drive.

Thank me later when your car still has a warranty and you have cars over 2x the price pulling over for you on the track.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by YukiHachiRoku

get a grip gentlemen* (no pun intended)

Never intend to be a keyboard warrior.
I only want to debate because that way, we can see other people's reasoning .

Originally Posted by gtslow

This thread has so much disinformation, speculation and downright idiocy I about fell out of my seat laughing. The 370z and FRS are so different in their target market and purpose that it is just unfair to try and compare them. The 370z is a fantastic car that outperforms cars well over its msrp. The FRS looks to be shaping up the same way. That being said, each car has their strengths and weaknesses.

By all means please spend 10k trying to make the FRS as fast as the Nissan. After your turbo kit you will no longer have a warranty, gas mileage and reliability the stool stock Nissan has.

I have a better idea: spend 2k on rims and ties then the rest of your hard earned money on HPDE events so you can actually learn how to drive.

Thank me later when your car still has a warranty and you have cars over 2x the price pulling over for you on the track.

I wouldn't say it unfair to compare both cars. Sure, 370Z outclasses BRZ/FR-S, but I see the little car has a lot of mod potential. No one here said, he would throw 10K mod right after getting the car. I personally would get a FI only if the car is out of warranty (if I want more power, but I doubt it).

Thanks for the suggestion. I also plan on having one.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by Dark

I wouldn't say it unfair to compare both cars. Sure, 370Z outclasses BRZ/FR-S, but I see the little car has a lot of mod potential. No one here said, he would throw 10K mod right after getting the car. I personally would get a FI only if the car is out of warranty (if I want more power, but I doubt it).

We'll see what kind of mod potential it has. If the engine's crap (doesn't take to mods, etc.), this car is dead.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

We'll see what kind of mod potential it has. If the engine's crap (doesn't take to mods, etc.), this car is dead.

I wouldn't doubt it. Tuners are already developing various kinds of mods for the car.

[serialk11r]

Originally Posted by Dark

I wouldn't doubt it. Tuners are already developing various kinds of mods for the car.

Like the 290hp HKS supercharger Doubt they had time to make low comp pistons, although they might've had to really fiddle a lot with timing and such.

[Embarrassed]

Another "plus" for the z is the relative street values are closer than MSRP would suggest. Next month the 2013 Z's come out. Excellent deals available through the end of the month. Probably some even better ones (although with fewer choices) next month.

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[Dimman]

Originally Posted by justaquestion

I can't believe I am just seeing this... Horrible course engine sound?? Are you kidding me? Have you even heard what an FR-S/BRZ sounds like? Its like THE definition of a course engine sound. You are honestly the first person I have seen say that the VQ engines sound bad... Its like the complete opposite of course sounding.

There are a few of us here that think the VQ sounds awful. Can't say the FA sounds like heaven but it is better than the VQ imo.

But coming from a 1JZ with Apexi intake and N1 muffler, few motors (and none I can afford) impress me.