Police encounters

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

And no the old "cops everywhere are all the same" does not play!

You hit the nail on the head. Cops are NOT the same everywhere.

Police training in other countries is often geared toward public service and de-escalating situations. Police training in the US is geared toward avoiding liability. That makes a striking difference. US cops are trained to escalate situations to provoke people into doing something that will justify any use of force. If you beat the shit out of a subject and he sues, you can say that he brought it on himself with his negative reaction to your provocation, when you could have headed the whole thing off by de-escalating the way a Canadian or Australian officer would.

That's a direct result of our litigious culture in the US. Cities feel the need to protect themselves from liability. As a result, the cops are involved in more violent incidents, which in turn results in a greater number of excessive force complaints.

[Jvalich]

I was pulled over for the first time driving south on I-75 just south of Perry Georgia two weeks ago. A city cop was in the median against the wall, I was in the far right lane cruise set at 74 (70 limit).
Pulled right out and lit me up. Got out of his car, walked around mine. Didn't ask for license, insurance or registration. Then he asked if I knew why he pulled me over, i replied nope. He thought my window tint was too dark. Measured it and said have a nice day. He was a young kid about mid 20's.

How many cars in Georgia do you think have window tint? Bunches! He just had to check mine...uh right. It was obvious he just wanted a close look at the car.

[headlikeahole]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

Backing up for a minute:



I don't believe that for a second, because it doesn't make any sense. Some may not enjoy it, but I don't believe even those try to avoid it because they have very strong incentives to write those tickets. If a cop is set up in a speed trap out on the highway, writing tickets is why he's there. If he comes back with no tickets, I would suspect that a supervisor would be wondering what the hell he's doing out there all day. For that matter, I have been told point blank by more than one cop that they had quotas they were expected to meet, and it's not uncommon for governments to budget for ticket revenue before it's collected, regardless of legality. A cop is not going to try to avoid writing a ticket with such strong incentives to the contrary.

And I don't believe that most cops don't enjoy writing tickets. They selected a job where they get to bully people and get away with it. That kind of work is naturally going to attract bullies. It's no different from any other kid of work that attracts a particular type of person. Auto repair is going to attract people who like working on machines, even though there are some who aren't very good at it. Actuarial is going to attract people who prefer working with numbers, even though someone with an actual personality might sneak through. Police work is going to attract people who enjoy the feeling of power over others.

Furthermore, if a cop chooses to write a ticket just because he doesn't like the driver, that cop has no business carrying a badge and gun. He's there for law enforcement, not for I-don't-like-your-tone-so-fuck-you enforcement. I've personally witnessed numerous incidents where cops were assholes from the outset, with no provocation at all, yet we're all supposed to love cops and be nice to them. You reap what you sow.

I don't even know where to start... Your perception of what cops are like and what they do is pretty messed up. I've been at work all day, I've given out 0 tickets, 3 warnings and at the risk of sounding insanely Canadian, I helped shovel someone's driveway. Sorry for being a bully.

There are three Police forces in my town and I have friends on all of them. No one has "incentives" to write tickets; only incentive to do you job and use your discretion. If that means handing out 20 tickets and no warnings in a day then that was your discretion. But no supervisor can give you crap because you gave out too many warnings (unless you literaly never write a ticket). You dont have to believe me but, MOST COPS DONT WANT TO WRITE THEM.. tickets mean paper work, tickets mean court dates and being away from family, losing days off, no cop wants that.

Some cops are bullies there's no denying that. But despite what you might think, and what the media tries to portray, most cops get into this line of work to do their part for the community (also cop cars are cool). If you spent some time doing this job you would know it's not about hunting down minorities and fr-s owners, most cops are just normal dudes. Things may be different in the USA but that doesnt change the fact that police forces are made up of normal people, not the monsters you seem to think they are.

[Pkush]

Originally Posted by headlikeahole

I don't even know where to start... Your perception of what cops are like and what they do is pretty messed up. I've been at work all day, I've given out 0 tickets, 3 warnings and at the risk of sounding insanely Canadian, I helped shovel someone's driveway. Sorry for being a bully.

There are three Police forces in my town and I have friends on all of them. No one has "incentives" to write tickets; only incentive to do you job and use your discretion. If that means handing out 20 tickets and no warnings in a day then that was your discretion. But no supervisor can give you crap because you gave out too many warnings (unless you literaly never write a ticket). Despite what you think, MOST COPS DONT WANT TO WRITE THEM.. tickets mean paper work, tickets mean court dates and being away from family, losing days off, no cop wants that.

Some cops are bullies there's no denying that. But despite what you might think, and what the media tries to portray, most cops get into this line of work to do their part for the community (also cop cars are cool). If you spent some time doing this job you would know it's not about hunting down minorities and fr-s owners, most cops are just normal dudes. Things may be different in the USA but that doesnt change the fact that police forces are made up of normal people, not the monsters you seem to think they are.

What city do you work in again? Time to pack my bags

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by headlikeahole

Things may be different in the USA but that doesnt change the fact that police forces are made up of normal people, not the monsters you seem to think they are.

I missed the fact that you're in Canada. You guys up there are trained differently. When I was in Ottawa and Toronto, the demeanor of police on the streets was entirely different from any of the numerous places I have lived in the US. They were polite, not just in a Canadian way. Down here there's a swagger that just seems to be looking for trouble.

And police officers here are far from "normal people." The ones who start out normal end up getting twisted by membership in the brotherhood, to the point that you end up with what you think are good cops actually standing up for and making excuses for the scum among them. There's an us-vs.-them attitude, where the cops forget the "protect" part and see everyone, including the people they're supposed to be protecting, as suspects.

[Pkush]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

And police officers here are far from "normal people." The ones who start out normal end up getting twisted by membership in the brotherhood, to the point that you end up with what you think are good cops actually standing up for and making excuses for the scum among them. There's an us-vs.-them attitude, where the cops forget the "protect" part and see everyone, including the people they're supposed to be protecting, as suspects.

I'm going to disagree just a bit. 90% of them are normal people, but they change that attitude towards the one you're describing when you're at work. I had the opportunity to work out at a boxing gym with a cop - nicest guy ever. Then I had the opportunity to see him pull people over and work - totally different person.

But I think the big thing is that there are a lot of veterans in the police forces that simply didn't get enough action in the military and are trying to catch up on it or something?

[BRZZZZZZZZZZ]

No problems with my BRZ in 17000km of driving. Doesn't seem like many people give a crap about this car.

[8R6]

since i've owned my frs, i've only been pulled over once by a cop. and this was because some stupid ass lady kept crossing over the lane into mine so i waited, pulled up next to her and revved and took off. the cop pulls me over and said he got a call that i was driving recklessly. WTF. anyway, the cop was super chill and we started talking about my work (advertising). then tells me the frs is a good looking car and it looks fast so just to remember some people in the area (usually older retired wealthy people) dont like kids in sports cars (wtf im 35... but probably look like a kid to them lol). tells me to drive safe and just be more understanding of the old fogies hahah.

all other times, cops will usually just tail me for a mile or less then turn away. hilarious and annoying at the same time. ill see them parked in a driveway or something watching traffic, then after i pass, theyll pull out and be like 5 cars behind me and then within like 30 seconds, all of a sudden be right behind me. lol. oh well, i knew i had it coming when i put on my exhaust and diffuser.

[PeterFRS]

been driving my bright red frs - being young asian male doesnt help but to get noticed by the law enforcements,
but to be honest, i have been driving sensibly, so now i wonder if they were just checking out the car

on the other hand, my previous grey civic sedan lowered and wheels,
I have been pulled over for my license plate covers being too dark,
when my parents had the same covers too but never an issue,
my headlights out of alignment..it was stock bulb with stock housing..
but never a ticket, just a whole bunch of warnings..

To this point, i think the twins are known as nice looking sports cars,
not student budget racers on the roads

[WolfsFang]

Since my ownership of my car in 2012 iv gotten only 3 exhaust tickets.

Cops in my town dont even look at my car anymore even though its straight piped and one of the loudest cars in my town aside from trucks (Iv'e passed cops at 3am and nothing) though last time I got pulled over was on the highway of my town. Was taking this big u-turn that I always fly through (suggested speed is 30mph but because racecar i go like 60+), no idea where the cop was hiding but he pulled me over and said "I could hear you power through that turn" Told him the truth that I always do that around the turn and he just left me off with a warning.

[PhantomX]

Originally Posted by FRSNewb

I think red cars in general attract more police attention. They apparently are also the most common colour of cars stolen and are the most expensive colour of cars to insure

Myth. My dealership sells red cars all the time. One of the objections customers would usually have is "my insurance will be more with that color," then we'd have them call their insurance to verify, and they always say "no, not true." If you don't believe, I urge you to call your insurance right now to verify.

[Bergen23]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

I had a lying sack of shit Texas state trooper pull me over and claim I was going 85 in a 75, when I couldn't have been because I was behind a car that was doing 71. When I challenged him and said that he couldn't possibly have clocked me, he said, "You were in a group doing 85. I clocked the whole group." The only reason that piece of garbage pulled me over was that he needed to meet his quota and saw a red sports car.

Prior to getting this car, I was driving a Jeep Cherokee that was almost invisible to cops. Since getting the BRZ, I get a lot more negative attention. I've had roided up ex-military type cops pull out behind me and tailgate me aggressively, trying to provoke a response. I've had them hit me with instant-on radar and laser much more often than that ever happened in the Jeep. A few weeks ago I was driving down a rural road 5 miles under the speed limit (because the road was fucking terrible), and fucking Roscoe P. Coltrane coming the other direction nearly ran himself off the road fumbling to get his handheld radar gun out and shoot me with it through his windshield. Out on the highway I had a douchebag hit me with laser, look at the reading and then hit me again with it because he couldn't believe that I was going exactly the speed limit.

Cops boo hoo about how people hate them. Gee. Wonder why. You treat the public like shit, people are not going to enjoy your company.

You know the whole quota thing is a myth, right?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by PhantomX

Myth. My dealership sells red cars all the time. One of the objections customers would usually have is "my insurance will be more with that color," then we'd have them call their insurance to verify, and they always say "no, not true." If you don't believe, I urge you to call your insurance right now to verify.

Canadian but everything I can find says the same thing.


Myth No. 1: Red cars are more expensive to insure.
Twenty-nine per cent of those surveyed thought auto insurance premiums were more expensive for red cards while 54 per cent believe that to be the case for cars with two doors.
“Most people may not know it, but the insurance industry is colour-blind. It doesn't matter if your car is blue, red, striped or chequered, your insurance rate for that make, model, and age of the vehicle will be the same,” Henry Blumenthal, vice-president and chief underwriter at TD Insurance, said in the release.
There are other factors that will determine how much auto insurance you will pay, including how often you drive, your driving history and where you live.


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe...article551722/

[8R6]

long time ago, i was in insurance (mainly auto and business) for about 5 years in California, with 2 of that as a broker for multiple insurance carriers. not once did i ever see an insurance premium be rated higher for the car being a red color... in fact, not once was the color of the car ever even included in the policy to begin with.