Nissan 370Z thread - Page 4 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

BRZZZZZZZZZZ · 05-01-2015, 09:17 AM

I would still have taken my BRZ over the 370Z, especially at the price I paid.

wbradley · 05-01-2015, 09:49 AM

OP-

Go trade in your FR-S. Bye bye.

D_Thissen · 05-01-2015, 09:56 AM

It would be interesting to see how a FR-S and the base Z would compare around a track. Its about time they dropped the price of that car. Its nice, but I'm keeping my FR-S.

azian_advanced · 05-01-2015, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wbradley

OP-

Go trade in your FR-S. Bye bye.

Not sure if you read the OP, or just saw the thread title & assume OP is hating on the FR-S.

tennisfreak · 05-01-2015, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D_Thissen

It would be interesting to see how a FR-S and the base Z would compare around a track. Its about time they dropped the price of that car. Its nice, but I'm keeping my FR-S.

Well here is the best I could find.

These are Motor Trend Hot Laps at Laguna Seca both performed by Randy Pobst.
They are performed on different dates but same track and same driver.

Nismo 370Z 2009 -
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut0vU5qwoAI"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut0vU5qwoAI[/ame]

Time: 106.5 seconds

2013 Subar BRZ -
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38WqRJf7So8"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38WqRJf7So8[/ame]

Time: 1:51.3 which translates to 111.3 seconds.

This makes the Z quite significantly faster on a track.

I know the Z is a Nismo but it is pretty well known that the Nismo package does little for the Z platform and is even known to make the car slower vs the sport package.

DarkSunrise · 05-01-2015, 10:23 AM

There's been some direct comparisons as well:

Autocar:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/mo...-vs-mazda-mx-5

Autoexpress:
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/toyota/...t-86-vs-rivals

Even a video comparison:
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUhLXvxlQR4"]Toyota GT86 / Scion FR-S v Nissan 370Z v Used Porsche Cayman S - /CHRIS HARRIS ON CARS - YouTube[/ame]

tyrantcf · 05-01-2015, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

There's been some direct comparisons as well:

Autocar:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/mo...-vs-mazda-mx-5

Autoexpress:
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/toyota/...t-86-vs-rivals

Even a video comparison:

Great video, one of the reasons I bought my car.

Sideways&Smiling · 05-01-2015, 12:22 PM

It kinda comes down to the fact that you get more for your money if you just plan on only having a stock car and never doing anything to it by going with the Z. In reality, it has better designed suspension and more power. However, it is also heavier, and it will always have that problem. You get less to start off with w/ the FR-S/BRZ, but you have a better platform. Despite the less sophisticated suspension, it's setup really well, has great steering, and good all-around handling right off the bat. The fact that it weighs less and handles well already makes it a great platform to add power to... You also have to consider the fact that the Z has been around a lot longer, so they've had a lot more time to reduce production costs...

Tcoat · 05-01-2015, 12:30 PM

I would not be in the least bit surprised that it is the very existence of the Twins that drove the price down on the Z. It isn't like it is a small price reduction, it is huge. The fact it is priced almost exactly the same as an 86 for the base model does not seem coincidental to me. They are losing market share and want it back. It will be interesting to see if that price drop applies in other countries as well.

hmong337 · 05-01-2015, 12:57 PM

Wow, I never would've imagined the price of the Z34 dipping this low. Still, I was just never into the styling even if it is selling cheaper. What do they weigh? Like 3200lbs? I drove a z33. Too heavy for my tastes.

rice_classic · 05-01-2015, 01:07 PM

That's interesting and very competitive pricing. Will I be on some legal obligation to pop my collar if I buy one?

tahdizzle · 05-01-2015, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tennisfreak

Well here is the best I could find.

These are Motor Trend Hot Laps at Laguna Seca both performed by Randy Pobst.
They are performed on different dates but same track and same driver.

Nismo 370Z 2009 -

Time: 106.5 seconds

2013 Subar BRZ -

Time: 1:51.3 which translates to 111.3 seconds.

This makes the Z quite significantly faster on a track.

I know the Z is a Nismo but it is pretty well known that the Nismo package does little for the Z platform and is even known to make the car slower vs the sport package.

Okay, all fine and dandy.

But you fail to address that the OP is talking about a Base z (No LSD). Now if you are saying that a LSD doesn't make a difference on the track....

wbradley · 05-01-2015, 02:51 PM

Just go with a header, tune and better tires on a twin. The Z is ugly despite the reduced price. Nothing classic about the look whatsoever IMHO. And it will probably be phased out in a year.

I'd sooner see people trade for the new 'Stang. At least the Boss 302 anyway.

Tcoat · 05-01-2015, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rice_classic

That's interesting and very competitive pricing. Will I be on some legal obligation to pop my collar if I buy one?

05-01-2015, 09:56 AM	#45
D_Thissen Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Drives: '13 Argento FR-S (Sold) Location: Ontario Posts: 2,126 Thanks: 3,209 Thanked 1,439 Times in 855 Posts Mentioned: 19 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	It would be interesting to see how a FR-S and the base Z would compare around a track. Its about time they dropped the price of that car. Its nice, but I'm keeping my FR-S. __________________ My FR-S Build IG: dthissen

05-01-2015, 10:23 AM	#48
DarkSunrise Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Drives: 22 BRZ (Previously 13 FR-S) Location: USA Posts: 5,798 Thanks: 2,187 Thanked 4,243 Times in 2,221 Posts Mentioned: 48 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	There's been some direct comparisons as well: Autocar: http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/mo...-vs-mazda-mx-5 Autoexpress: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/toyota/...t-86-vs-rivals Even a video comparison: [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUhLXvxlQR4"]Toyota GT86 / Scion FR-S v Nissan 370Z v Used Porsche Cayman S - /CHRIS HARRIS ON CARS - YouTube[/ame] __________________ "Never run out of real estate, traction, and ideas at the same time." 2022 BRZ Build 2013 FR-S Build

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Tcoat Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Drives: 2020 Hakone Location: London, Ont Posts: 69,841 Thanks: 61,656 Thanked 108,295 Times in 46,456 Posts Mentioned: 2499 Post(s) Tagged: 50 Thread(s)	I would not be in the least bit surprised that it is the very existence of the Twins that drove the price down on the Z. It isn't like it is a small price reduction, it is huge. The fact it is priced almost exactly the same as an 86 for the base model does not seem coincidental to me. They are losing market share and want it back. It will be interesting to see if that price drop applies in other countries as well. __________________ Racecar spelled backwards is Racecar, because Racecar.

05-01-2015, 12:57 PM	#52
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05-01-2015, 01:07 PM	#53
rice_classic Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: Nevermorange FRS Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 4,175 Thanks: 758 Thanked 4,213 Times in 1,809 Posts Mentioned: 78 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	That's interesting and very competitive pricing. Will I be on some legal obligation to pop my collar if I buy one? __________________ PRO86 \| WTCC \| STL

05-01-2015, 09:17 AM	#43
BRZZZZZZZZZZ Car Nut Join Date: Dec 2013 Drives: BMW 335d, Toyota Echo RS, FRS Location: Calgary Posts: 1,557 Thanks: 368 Thanked 603 Times in 346 Posts Mentioned: 12 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	I would still have taken my BRZ over the 370Z, especially at the price I paid.

05-01-2015, 12:22 PM	#50
Sideways&Smiling Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Drives: AP2 S2000, S14 240sx Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 967 Thanks: 446 Thanked 484 Times in 288 Posts Mentioned: 9 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	It kinda comes down to the fact that you get more for your money if you just plan on only having a stock car and never doing anything to it by going with the Z. In reality, it has better designed suspension and more power. However, it is also heavier, and it will always have that problem. You get less to start off with w/ the FR-S/BRZ, but you have a better platform. Despite the less sophisticated suspension, it's setup really well, has great steering, and good all-around handling right off the bat. The fact that it weighs less and handles well already makes it a great platform to add power to... You also have to consider the fact that the Z has been around a lot longer, so they've had a lot more time to reduce production costs...

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