Everyday Driving

[woode]

Originally Posted by Victor Draken

Even on 93-94 octane?

Yes

[lexusb3]

Originally Posted by tg_1981

I agree with your quality over horsepower statement. But when you feel 400hp and the car is still balanced and your not spinning wheels because you have spent the time to setup the ebc you'll be in the same bandwagon as the rest of us. Ask James I took him for a ride two nights ago his face was priceless!
Converted from SC to Turbo**** thanks lexusb for making me spend more money always appreciate you..

THATS my job make ppl spend more lol

[jamesm]

Originally Posted by tg_1981

I agree with your quality over horsepower statement. But when you feel 400hp and the car is still balanced and your not spinning wheels because you have spent the time to setup the ebc you'll be in the same bandwagon as the rest of us. Ask James I took him for a ride two nights ago his face was priceless!
Converted from SC to Turbo**** thanks lexusb for making me spend more money always appreciate you..

Yes... 400+whp in an 86 is fun. And surprisingly composed. I couldn't see my own face, but I'm damn sure it must've been priceless. It's a pretty enlightening experience, even for a lower-boost turbo owner.

[Deslock]

Originally Posted by jamesm

I only say that because it's actually happened to me when I first got the car. My sisters kia Sedona. So not just a soccer mom van. A kia soccer mom van. It literally inspired me to go turbo.

I've never had this happen to me in years of driving moderately powered cars (after years of driving faster cars). IMO, the stock FT86 is a blast to flog and has plenty of passing power on public roads (if you're not downshifting, you're doing it wrong).

That written, more acceleration can be fun too. Personally, I find the TQ-25024V intriguing for its reasonable price, simplicity, and relatively easy installation/removal. So even though I love the car stock, I could see adding a full throttle SC for the hell of it in a few years (once my warranty is done).

Originally Posted by King Tut

Nothing quite like a quick sixth gear turbo boost pull to over 100 MPH when that soccer mom has been on her cell phone in the left hand lane going 10 MPH under the speed limit and you finally got your opening to pass her. No need for a downshift madam, I will take back what is rightfully mine.

LOL

[jamesm]

Originally Posted by Deslock

I've never had this happen to me in years of driving moderately powered cars (after years of driving faster cars). IMO, the stock FT86 is a blast to flog and has plenty of passing power on public roads (if you're not downshifting, you're doing it wrong).

That written, more acceleration can be fun too. Personally, I find the TQ-25024V intriguing for its reasonable price, simplicity, and relatively easy installation/removal. So even though I love the car stock, I could see adding a full throttle SC for the hell of it in a few years (once my warranty is done).


LOL

A stock 86 doesn't have plenty of anything power. It's anemic. Unless you're comparing it to a smart car or something.

[Dephective]

Originally Posted by Sojhinn

What some of the people on here are driving? No. I have driven cars with stock turbos or mild versions of what is being applied here.

Lol with the exception of very few older model sports coupes, almost every stock turbo car I've driven has fallen flat on it's face after 5k rpm. My last daily driver was a Mazdaspeed 6 and it suffered the same choked top end. Auto manufacturers want that crazy low end torque because it helps with fuel efficiency when putting around town and still puts out big numbers on paper. The truth is, they put ridiculously tiny turbos and squeeze every bit of life out of them, and by the time they hit the upper RPM range they are essentially a hair dryer. Even with tuning, boost is fairly limited and you are still going to have issues with heat. So no, you haven't driven a properly setup turbo, at least not one that has been for a "driver's car".

That's no slight on you, just that more affordable market very rarely is able to have its cake and eat it too. Proper turbo sizing is essential. It's also important to remember that 6psi on a small turbo is not going to have the same characteristics as 6psi on a larger turbo.

Bringing it back to the topic, I have no personal experience with FI on this car, but I have on other cars in the past, both stock and aftermarket, and I can tell you that regardless of power level and whether your daily commute is 5 min or an hour, there's nothing like hearing a turbo spool up and feel the very rapid increase in torque. Yes, turbo's atomize the air for better fuel efficiency, yes it also aids in exhaust scavenging to better aid in fuel efficiency, yes you may only get a few WOT sessions for a gear or 2 per day, but are you really caring about that? you obviously want more grins during your daily commute, and I guarantee that you will have plenty, OP.

[Sojhinn]

Originally Posted by Dephective

Lol with the exception of very few older model sports coupes, almost every stock turbo car I've driven has fallen flat on it's face after 5k rpm. My last daily driver was a Mazdaspeed 6 and it suffered the same choked top end. Auto manufacturers want that crazy low end torque because it helps with fuel efficiency when putting around town and still puts out big numbers on paper. The truth is, they put ridiculously tiny turbos and squeeze every bit of life out of them, and by the time they hit the upper RPM range they are essentially a hair dryer. Even with tuning, boost is fairly limited and you are still going to have issues with heat. So no, you haven't driven a properly setup turbo, at least not one that has been for a "driver's car".

That's no slight on you, just that more affordable market very rarely is able to have its cake and eat it too. Proper turbo sizing is essential. It's also important to remember that 6psi on a small turbo is not going to have the same characteristics as 6psi on a larger turbo.

Bringing it back to the topic, I have no personal experience with FI on this car, but I have on other cars in the past, both stock and aftermarket, and I can tell you that regardless of power level and whether your daily commute is 5 min or an hour, there's nothing like hearing a turbo spool up and feel the very rapid increase in torque. Yes, turbo's atomize the air for better fuel efficiency, yes it also aids in exhaust scavenging to better aid in fuel efficiency, yes you may only get a few WOT sessions for a gear or 2 per day, but are you really caring about that? you obviously want more grins during your daily commute, and I guarantee that you will have plenty, OP.

I think you misinterpreted my answer. I said I had not and also pretty much supported your point of view. But I was referring to ops original goal. Cheap and more power on tap. Bang for your buck phantom esc is a winner. It might not play with the big boys but that's not its intention.

[Dephective]

Originally Posted by Sojhinn

I think you misinterpreted my answer. I said I had not and also pretty much supported your point of view. But I was referring to ops original goal. Cheap and more power on tap. Bang for your buck phantom esc is a winner. It might not play with the big boys but that's not its intention.

No, it wasn't really my intention to single you out, you just made a point that I felt the need to address. I know a lot of others out there who had OEM turbo vehicles in the past that might steer clear of turbo as a FI option because of prior headaches or not really getting all the enjoyment as one might expect. Just to allay some fears.

I understood your answer, and I was adding to it

Although I do not support a phantom charger. Cool in idea, but I think spending a couple more bucks and getting an actual supercharger would be a better route. Way more overhead room, and you are already needing to setup tuning so that cost isnt even a factor. an Innovate kit would be a better option if budget was a concern.

[Sojhinn]

Originally Posted by Dephective

No, it wasn't really my intention to single you out, you just made a point that I felt the need to address. I know a lot of others out there who had OEM turbo vehicles in the past that might steer clear of turbo as a FI option because of prior headaches or not really getting all the enjoyment as one might expect. Just to allay some fears.

I understood your answer, and I was adding to it

Although I do not support a phantom charger. Cool in idea, but I think spending a couple more bucks and getting an actual supercharger would be a better route. Way more overhead room, and you are already needing to setup tuning so that cost isnt even a factor. an Innovate kit would be a better option if budget was a concern.

Sounds good. I appreciate your candor and your respectful answer.

[Robftss]

Originally Posted by Dephective

Yes, turbo's atomize the air for better fuel efficiency, yes it also aids in exhaust scavenging to better aid in fuel efficiency, yes you may only get a few WOT sessions for a gear or 2 per day, but are you really caring about that?

http://blog.autospeed.com/2008/12/04...-fuel-economy/

Interesting short read on the effects of turbocharging and related fuel economy. "the turbo is working when it isn't really needed"

[Dephective]

Originally Posted by Robftss

http://blog.autospeed.com/2008/12/04...-fuel-economy/

Interesting short read on the effects of turbocharging and related fuel economy. "the turbo is working when it isn't really needed"

Increasing low end torque makes daily driving more economical. Less throttle necessary to reach a given speed and when under vacuum the turbo scavenges gases from the chamber, so yes this translates to increased fuel economy, especially when you combine the two factors together. Please tell me why auto manufacturers are all switching to meet stringent fuel standards and still meet consumer desire for power by going small displacement turbocharged motors? Regardless of the the 2 scenarios, the amount of backpressure is at the very least negated by the above benefits. If you can control your right foot, that is.

The principle may very well be that which is state in the article, and I'm no expert. I do however have a friend that designs turbines for Siemens, and I i can read all the empirical evidence, and there is in fact a ridiculous amount, and it all amounts to better fuel economy. I've also owned cars that have been N/A-T conversions, and there has always been a mild increase in daily mileage, for what that's worth.

[jamesm]

Originally Posted by Robftss

http://blog.autospeed.com/2008/12/04...-fuel-economy/

Interesting short read on the effects of turbocharging and related fuel economy. "the turbo is working when it isn't really needed"

theory is one thing... but i get 32-35mpg highway. and i have a turbo. in town? not so much... maybe 23-25 depending on my foot.

[Robftss]

Originally Posted by jamesm

theory is one thing... but i get 32-35mpg highway. and i have a turbo. in town? not so much... maybe 23-25 depending on my foot.

I agree, theory requires empirical real world 'proof'.

I have seen this wastegate strategy used in aircraft engines to improve economy. Seems Porsche has thrown some resources towards it too.

It may or may not be valid, I am trying to be neutral....but why are others putting in the effort?