Which headers are the best?

[86-tundra]

Originally Posted by diss7

All this 'best' crap on these forums gets a little old. Most of the time it's "what's the best header sold in the US"

Buy a HyperRev magazine. You'll see 20 headers in there not even discussed on here. Some made to bolt up to 54mm exhaust, some 60, some 65, some 70. Different designs, flexis, prices etc etc.

Same thing with pulley kits, flywheels, exhausts, pretty much everything. Except FI kits, they seem to be well known about.

And fwiw, all this hype behind Nameless, yet nothing is mentioned of Toda Racing? I brought it up a couple of times, but it gets lost in the hype.

Some of these JDM companies design multiple prototypes, and test them all. They put them on tester cars and race cars for MONTHS, have the time before even announcing anything.

Constantly reading comments about "omfg jdl/nameless are teh best!!!11!1" Just settle down, Yankee Doodle.

The only part that IMO I have come across for this platform that is US made, and better than everything/anything available in Japan, is the robispec radiator.

And, let the flaming / patriotism begin.

But seriously, if you actually care about knowing about what is actually out there, you need to be looking in Japan. There is more gt86 parts available there now, than the rest of the world combined; maybe 2 -3 times more.

Is there a japanese equivalent to these forums? Or other source of information?

[diss7]

Originally Posted by trevorovert

Is there a japanese equivalent to these forums? Or other source of information?

Like I said, Hyper Rev magazine.

If you've never heard about them, it's a book made on Japan where they compile all the parts for a particular car. You want headers, go to page 176 (for example) and bang. It's all in Japaenese, but you get your head around it fairly easily. Half the magazine is articles, interviewing shops about parts coming up, or that they're testing.

It doesn't show everything (suppliers have to pay for the ads) but it shows a shit load more than you'll find being discussed on here.

There's bound to be Japanese forums as well, but they'll be in Japanese !

[StormTrooper]

I search online and can't find anything about headers I know are for sale so while I understand what your are saying it isn't always a case of dumb Americans only considering their own shops. Take HKS for example.

[diss7]

Originally Posted by trevorovert

Is there a japanese equivalent to these forums? Or other source of information?

I started a new thread about hyperrev. Just uploading some more pics of the contents now.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55933

[86-tundra]

Sweet thanks. I took a couple of years of japanese in college, so I can pick up on most of the stuff (Especially the katakana, where it's basically english words in japanese syllables) Will definitely have to check it out

[industrial]

Originally Posted by diss7

All this 'best' crap on these forums gets a little old. Most of the time it's "what's the best header sold in the US"

Buy a HyperRev magazine. You'll see 20 headers in there not even discussed on here. Some made to bolt up to 54mm exhaust, some 60, some 65, some 70. Different designs, flexis, prices etc etc.

Same thing with pulley kits, flywheels, exhausts, pretty much everything. Except FI kits, they seem to be well known about.

And fwiw, all this hype behind Nameless, yet nothing is mentioned of Toda Racing? I brought it up a couple of times, but it gets lost in the hype.

Some of these JDM companies design multiple prototypes, and test them all. They put them on tester cars and race cars for MONTHS, have the time before even announcing anything.

Constantly reading comments about "omfg jdl/nameless are teh best!!!11!1" Just settle down, Yankee Doodle.

The only part that IMO I have come across for this platform that is US made, and better than everything/anything available in Japan, is the robispec radiator.

And, let the flaming / patriotism begin.

But seriously, if you actually care about knowing about what is actually out there, you need to be looking in Japan. There is more gt86 parts available there now, than the rest of the world combined; maybe 2 -3 times more.

Hey! Hks is Yankee Doodle? Nope that never gets mentioned here.

Regardless of that, perhaps the reason Japanese products aren't mentioned as much is that they aren't accessible here. Few distributors and high price of entry. I'm sorry there are almost no parts made in your country but having access to locally made products here has many advantages. It's cheaper and much easier to get warranty work/returns handled. It probably doesn't hurt that our domestic products are actually pretty good too. If there were a magical Japanese header that was far superior, I'm sure we'd be all over it too. Their products are for the large part, massively overpriced for what you get. Look at half the cusco stuff like their rear diff kit or oil cooler kit. Look at some of the stupid air intakes for $2000+ dollars... It's just far more practical to buy domestic goods when they are largely just as good as imported goods.

TL, DR: So fuck you buddy! 'Murica!

[Malt]

Originally Posted by diss7

Like I said, Hyper Rev magazine.

If you've never heard about them, it's a book made on Japan where they compile all the parts for a particular car. You want headers, go to page 176 (for example) and bang. It's all in Japaenese, but you get your head around it fairly easily. Half the magazine is articles, interviewing shops about parts coming up, or that they're testing.

It doesn't show everything (suppliers have to pay for the ads) but it shows a shit load more than you'll find being discussed on here.

There's bound to be Japanese forums as well, but they'll be in Japanese !

Wonderful! Maybe you could provide translations for the entire magazine as well as start up a shop as a distributor in the states for all us dumb/fanboy/biased Americans for those amazing JDM parts. Surely you'd make a killing seeing how you know which products are best. Have you ever considered the fact that the reason all that gets discussed on this website is products that are actually available to the vast majority of the participants here?

Also, it's quite apparent that you knew what you were saying would illicit alleged "patriotic" reactions by your comment of "let the flaming/patriotism begin". Do you actually contribute anything other than troll type posts here? A pick glance at your posting history seems to imply that infact you are the troll, not the various others that disagree with your posts.

[mwjcyber]

Originally Posted by diss7

All this 'best' crap on these forums gets a little old. Most of the time it's "what's the best header sold in the US"

Buy a HyperRev magazine. You'll see 20 headers in there not even discussed on here. Some made to bolt up to 54mm exhaust, some 60, some 65, some 70. Different designs, flexis, prices etc etc.

And, let the flaming / patriotism begin.

But seriously, if you actually care about knowing about what is actually out there, you need to be looking in Japan. There is more gt86 parts available there now, than the rest of the world combined; maybe 2 -3 times more.

Diss7. You bring up good points, and for us sheltered Americans, please enlighten us with the best header available down-under. Although the OP is in the USA so most responses have been for American available products, this is an international forum and we Americans would love to know what's available outside the country. Please don't confuse ignorance for arrogance, or vice versa.

[utekineir]

Originally Posted by Malt

Also, it's quite apparent that you knew what you were saying would illicit alleged "patriotic" reactions by your comment of "let the flaming/patriotism begin".

Lol nationality is only funny in one direction for diss.


Call him a dingo fucker and see what happens

[StormTrooper]

I've found two Japanese headers for sale one the HKS is largely considered the benchmark. The other the HPI Takumi series is only found on Japanese sites or oddly enough a forum post here.
Probably because it's $1450 before shipping or coating . and it has no dyno, and no forum posting.


Cost is the reason....there are japanese members on here, none have really talked about tons of JDM parts. And how much better they are.

[diss7]

Originally Posted by industrial

Hey! Hks is Yankee Doodle? Nope that never gets mentioned here.

Regardless of that, perhaps the reason Japanese products aren't mentioned as much is that they aren't accessible here. Few distributors and high price of entry. I'm sorry there are almost no parts made in your country but having access to locally made products here has many advantages. It's cheaper and much easier to get warranty work/returns handled. It probably doesn't hurt that our domestic products are actually pretty good too. If there were a magical Japanese header that was far superior, I'm sure we'd be all over it too. Their products are for the large part, massively overpriced for what you get. Look at half the cusco stuff like their rear diff kit or oil cooler kit. Look at some of the stupid air intakes for $2000+ dollars... It's just far more practical to buy domestic goods when they are largely just as good as imported goods.

TL, DR: So fuck you buddy! 'Murica!

Sorry there's no local manufacturers where I live? In Christchurch alone, there is Surfab, racefab, link, nzefi, kelford. Between those 5 companies, I know of the following products in development or released; dry sump kit, cr mo rear sub frame, stand alone ecu, cams, carbon panels/doors. Half of them use my car.

My point in this thread is that is apart always US based posters, get US based answers, under the guise of it being the best in the world. I understand its cheaper in the US to get parts locally. But for me, and others, the opposite is true. It's cheaper to get parts out of Japan.

As far as taking the poss out of where each other lives, I'm all for banter. But try and learn that Australia and NZ are not the same country first. (We don't have dingos, or kangaroos, or shrimp on the barbie

[diss7]

Originally Posted by Malt

Wonderful! Maybe you could provide translations for the entire magazine as well as start up a shop as a distributor in the states for all us dumb/fanboy/biased Americans for those amazing JDM parts. Surely you'd make a killing seeing how you know which products are best. Have you ever considered the fact that the reason all that gets discussed on this website is products that are actually available to the vast majority of the participants here?

Also, it's quite apparent that you knew what you were saying would illicit alleged "patriotic" reactions by your comment of "let the flaming/patriotism begin". Do you actually contribute anything other than troll type posts here? A pick glance at your posting history seems to imply that infact you are the troll, not the various others that disagree with your posts.

Regarding paragraph 1. Of course this has occurre to me. However, there is a difference between catering to a majority, and doing so while implying there's no other options.

Regarding paragraph 2. Me making that comment only proves that I knew the reaction of the forum, not that I thought my comments were trolling.

If you and others genuinely think I'm trolling, I'm happy to walk. Personally I think I bring more new information than most users here. The reason you, and others, get butt hurt at some of my posts, is because I don't sugar coat them. If I see bullshit, I call it as bullshit.

To answer the OP, because I haven't done that yet. The best headers for you, are headers made for you. I'm not talking about ones made by your local muffler shop. I'm talking about custom made, it suit your power goals, other mods, preferred peak power point, and of course your constraints. You also need to deal with someone that can do the calcs.

Surfab in chch is going through this process at the moment for my car. Kelford is doing the math. We believe most headers are being desogned for stock heads/motors. Most headers we've seen aim for peak power around 6500-7000. We're aiming higher than that. But we're also working with Kelford on other products to use to achieve what we're hoping to achieve.

[industrial]

Originally Posted by diss7

Regarding paragraph 1. Of course this has occurre to me. However, there is a difference between catering to a majority, and doing so while implying there's no other options.

Regarding paragraph 2. Me making that comment only proves that I knew the reaction of the forum, not that I thought my comments were trolling.

If you and others genuinely think I'm trolling, I'm happy to walk. Personally I think I bring more new information than most users here. The reason you, and others, get butt hurt at some of my posts, is because I don't sugar coat them. If I see bullshit, I call it as bullshit.

To answer the OP, because I haven't done that yet. The best headers for you, are headers made for you. I'm not talking about ones made by your local muffler shop. I'm talking about custom made, it suit your power goals, other mods, preferred peak power point, and of course your constraints. You also need to deal with someone that can do the calcs.

Surfab in chch is going through this process at the moment for my car. Kelford is doing the math. We believe most headers are being desogned for stock heads/motors. Most headers we've seen aim for peak power around 6500-7000. We're aiming higher than that. But we're also working with Kelford on other products to use to achieve what we're hoping to achieve.

You come off as so self righteous and pompous lately.... Not all of us want to blow that much money on our cars. Kelford is a solid company. Haven't heard of the others. Relax man, we are all here to have some fun with cars. This is not serious business, it's just fun. It's fun to debate sometimes but let's debate numbers and the science of going fast or the art of what looks nice instead of getting so personal, political and judgey.

[FrsDuke]

Uppity Kiwi.