Scion FR-S Turbo Sedan Comes Into Focus (BRZ too I'd assume)

[reardrv]

Originally Posted by Joakim3

Oh god no.......... why can't they just stick to making a high performance BRZ/FRS/GT86? Throw on some stock Brembo's, a nice high pressure Turbo, 260-270hp and call it day and you'll have everyones love and money

I hate when companies get power drunk off of a good idea/product and turn the whole thing into shit

This^^^

[Snoopyalien24]

I miss a few weeks of coming on this website and I come back to this?

TOYOTA WA JU DOIN

[krayzie]

This is either the return of the Altezza or they will simply drop the hybrid powertrain into the existing IS. Although it makes more sense for the 300hp turbo FA20 to be the next WRX STI (aren't they already testing this on the Nurburgring?).

[NickFRS]

Originally Posted by Zaku

so it's basically a Toyota WRX? am I reading this right? and if it's the same size as the Legacy...that's pretty big that's a mid sized sedan right? I was hoping for something comparible to the coupe... like an Integra Sedan something along that size.

Please don't compare this AWD concept to subarus symmetrical AWD system.

[rcm47]

This doesn't sound like it's going to be a gt86/BRZ sedan. I think they're just making a whole new model based off the gt86/ BRZ. It won't be marketed as the same car and it shouldn't be. This sound more like Toyota is helping Subaru make the new legacy.

[youcantseeme24]

just destroy the cars roots to maximize there dollar.....WOW

[nonicname returns]

4door awd sedan lol. Total BS. Subaru wouldn't allow a pompetitor of the wrx.
Period. This is bs.

[bunny86]

Originally Posted by Kelbyat07

Oh if anyone buys this, I am literally going to laugh at you if I ever see you on the road. This isn't close to the 86 blood, sedan really? Do you guys really want to see a sedan filled with a family drifting?

And if I ever see you drifting I will have a good chuckle as well.

[Hanni_0176]

While this article is likely hearsay at best, the bit at the end was interesting. If they were to test the waters by releasing a turbocharged model in 2016, that would be pretty cool. As long as there are no significant changes made to the FA20, would that mean we could purchase a TRD/STi turbo kit in the future? Interesting indeed.

[Ganthrithor]

Fuck all hybrid cars forever. Hybrids are just the shittiest of shitty ideas: either convert to clean power generation and electric cars, or build smaller, lighter, more fuel-efficient combustion cars. Use diesels in utility-oriented cars and efficient gas engines in sporty cars.

I really don't get it: why would they take a small, relatively light, simple, and inexpensive platform and then fill it with three motors and racks of batteries? Toyota already have the hybrid market cornered with the godawful Prius variants...

[gily25]

Originally Posted by Ganthrithor

Fuck all hybrid cars forever. Hybrids are just the shittiest of shitty ideas...

Yes! Hybrids are for people who have to get to the store and work and could give a shit about how they get there. Each car type has their market, they need to stop mixing the too. Isn't it bad enough we have to look at that barf Panamera?!

[civicdrivr]

Even if this car tips the scales at 3200-3300lbs, that's pretty damn light for a supposed 300hp sedan, especially in today's world. Look at the new 335i - it weighs in at nearly 3600lbs.

I just don't understand all the anger.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Ganthrithor

Fuck all hybrid cars forever. Hybrids are just the shittiest of shitty ideas: either convert to clean power generation and electric cars, or build smaller, lighter, more fuel-efficient combustion cars. Use diesels in utility-oriented cars and efficient gas engines in sporty cars.

Least efficient part of using an Internal Combustion Engine (ICE) is start-stop driving, which isn't an issue for electric propulsion (which only uses the energy you need). Electric propulsion doesn't have the energy storage to do long distance cruising like ICE's can, so why would combining them to cover the weak points of each be a bad thing? You get increased efficiency off your old infrastructure (ICE/fossil fuels) while developing the future technology and infrastructure (Electric). It's a good idea, but anyone who thinks it's more than an in between step is fooling themselves. Problem is, we need this stepping stone to get to the future.

No argument that they're mostly boring and soulless and I'd rather do fossil fuels or all electric, but blindly bashing on hybrids is not an intelligent position.

[kuhlka]

Read up on super capacitors. All-electric quick-charging cars aren't that far away. Some prototypes are using bodywork as batteries.