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Old 11-10-2013, 04:01 PM   #43
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12,000+ miles at 360whp which is over 400hp at the crank and no issues? Is that not long term enough?
I dont consider 1 person a good sample size, not even 10 is a good sample size.
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Old 11-10-2013, 05:19 PM   #44
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I mean dude the car is brand new. You're going to be waiting a few years for that kind of reliability study. I did get the first block so the fact that mine is still going strong says something, where's crawfords first built engine.....?
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Old 11-10-2013, 05:22 PM   #45
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I mean dude the car is brand new. You're going to be waiting a few years for that kind of reliability study. I did get the first block so the fact that mine is still going strong says something, where's crawfords first built engine.....?

junk yard..crawford even have any motors in a car yet?

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Old 11-11-2013, 03:51 AM   #46
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Oh if only it was that simple. Keep living the dream, though.
Loving my engine right now,....early adapter, one of the firsts....had a few hiccups along the way,.... but its right as rain now.....yah I know its not that simple.....my wallet knows too.
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Old 11-11-2013, 03:56 AM   #47
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that sounds like somebody who's never actually owned a car with a built motor, let alone built one.

it's never that easy. if it can go wrong, it will, and the parts dont just 'snap together'.
Guess your not too familiar with my build,....probable a good thing .....you mean things can go wrong ?
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Old 11-11-2013, 02:02 PM   #48
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There is a lot more to engine building than what most shops have the capabilities of handling, which is why most shops farm out their engine builds. All of our engines are assembled in house by our own engine builder. He came from NASCAR cup car engine building. We are known world wide for our engine program in the VQ platform and bring this same experience to the FA20 platform. The one thing we are not however, is the cheapest. Unfortunately in the engine building game, you get what you pay for. Not here to dog other companies as we have not seen their specific work first hand but we have seen plenty of other shops motors and how well they do and do not hold up on the Dyno and on track. The FA20 motor is not the easiest motor to work with,make sure whatever shop you chose has the proper tools to measure and assemble this and any motor. If they use plastigauge, steer clear lol. I wouldn't let just anyone tackle this motor build. But when people do, we have no problem building anyone's second built motor.
What kind of bearings your guys use? Are they new oem or race? Also what is a micro polish crank and whats the highest hp tested on your built motors?
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We use new OEM bearings. The bearings are not the issue, the oil clearance is. We have sold tons of built motor parts (pistons, rods) to shops along with one set of bearings and they just assume because Toyota/Subaru stamps the bearing "std" that they can just trust the measurement and roll on. That is simply not the case. Not every failure makes it on the forums... We have sold parts only to several race teams and shops that have had multiple failures at building this motor, due to improper clearances.

When we assemble a motor we have tons of OEM bearing sizes to select from (not just one set), it takes multiple assemble and tear downs of the short block to get the specs exactly where they need to be. On the shop motor we are finishing up, took 3 sets of rod and main bearings before we were happy with the specs. Proper machining also is key, if your engine builder did not use a torque plate when machining... good luck is all I have to say.

Micro polish crank is where the crank journals are polished to a fine finish. This aids in bearing life.

We have several fully built motors that are in their final stages that we will show off the results in the upcoming months when the rest of the car is done.
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Are there shops that would do a long block turn around. I'm talking I pull my motor at my place, ship the long block to a shop. Have them do the motor work and then ship it back ready for me to drop in? I'm trying to reduce the hours I have to put into it.
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Are there shops that would do a long block turn around. I'm talking I pull my motor at my place, ship the long block to a shop. Have them do the motor work and then ship it back ready for me to drop in? I'm trying to reduce the hours I have to put into it.
Yeah, FullBlown did that with mine.
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Are there shops that would do a long block turn around. I'm talking I pull my motor at my place, ship the long block to a shop. Have them do the motor work and then ship it back ready for me to drop in? I'm trying to reduce the hours I have to put into it.
Most shops should be able to do that for you as long as they do their own in house engine building. We could absolutely take care of that for you.
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Yeah, FullBlown did that with mine.
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which built motor?

I drive to FullBlown on a monthly basis lol. No I shipped them my complete engine and they sent me back a complete built one. I drove down to have them tune it.
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Awesome to get good responses, I didn't think it was a big ask but it not the typical short block sale
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