Rough and gravel road suspension setup

[Gforce]

Originally Posted by Cole

LOL. Do explain how I wasted my money. Cant wait to hear what the guy who thinks stock suspension is best has to say.

I would but it would be unnecessarily cruel. Enjoy your traction and stability control software to the max I say. If you try just a little bit harder it will be operating a lot more often and you'll be thanking Subaru for including it.

I switch mine off, but then I have a lot more power to deal with than you do and it doesn't scare me.

[Cole]

Originally Posted by Gforce

I would but it would be unnecessarily cruel. Enjoy your traction and stability control software to the max I say. If you try just a little bit harder it will be operating a lot more often and you'll be thanking Subaru for including it.

I switch mine off, but then I have a lot more power to deal with than you do and it doesn't scare me.

So because I drive responsibly on the street I wasted my money?

You are either a troll, or have some awful serious mental deficiencies. I'm going with the latter

[nikitopo]

Noone was wrong with the 1st generation suspension. Subaru just wanted a more mature ride and less peakiness in the handling for the BRZ. It made sense for their target audience of slightly more adult fan base than Japan's AE86 drivers who are wild drivers and Scion's younger crowd who didn't mind the slightly stiffer ride. Ironically, with a softer rear setup there was a tendency to run out of shock travel faster on the BRZ over rough terrain (ironic huh? since Subaru is the one who's famous for WRC).

The shock travel issue could be solved with rear progressive spring rates, which combined both worlds, and in fact Subaru provided such a suspension in their tS series. I assume that they couldn't offer this setup in the base models, since progressive springs require a much more advanced damping technology and there were cost considerations. To my knowledge this setup is not offered in the 2017+ cars either.

[Gforce]

Originally Posted by Cole

So because I drive responsibly on the street I wasted my money?

You are either a troll, or have some awful serious mental deficiencies. I'm going with the latter

You're reaction is consistent with either of course. They cannot both be the case. One does wonder what mental process contemplated both as alternate realities.

But to your point, yes, sadly you wasted your money. You bought a car which is ideally set up to teach you how to drive properly and apparently wasted that opportunity.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Gforce

On the contrary, Subaru engineers finally told the Toyota marketing boys to butt right out. Only now is the BRZ suitable for experienced and skilled drivers.

And, no, the buyers of current BRZ would not see any need to change anything about the suspension (or the brakes and wheels if you are smart enough to realize what a bargain the PP is) of the current version. This begs the question of whether Toyota deliberately marketed a car suitable for creating a frenzy of demand in the aftermarket.

You would eventually fit better summer tires. You would be wise to fit MCA traction brackets to cure the remaining rear suspension problem caused by using the Impreza subframe unaltered from its donor car, and you might decide to fit a set of lowering springs if you lived where ground clearance isn't important and you have no appreciation for how a softer ride can actually improve handling I.e. you are too young to really understand how suspension works.

If you were really serious you would ditch the Torsen for a clutch type LSD for reasons that are fairly obvious if you understand the difference.

So so so much more conjecture and just plain made up crap. It just keeps getting better all the time.

[venturaII]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

So so so much more conjecture and just plain made up crap. It just keeps getting better all the time.

By 'better', of course, you mean like a sharp stick in the eye..

[Cole]

Originally Posted by Gforce

You're reaction is consistent with either of course. They cannot both be the case. One does wonder what mental process contemplated both as alternate realities.

But to your point, yes, sadly you wasted your money. You bought a car which is ideally set up to teach you how to drive properly and apparently wasted that opportunity.

Again I ask, why did I waste my money if I use my car responsibly on the street, ie, in public, with other people around, in what you call the most dangerous and highest skill level required driving situation?

[bfrank1972]

Jeez, I dunno what you guys are all fired up about - he's being perfectly civil in my book. Maybe there's disagreement, maybe some see what he's saying as as conjecture, but no need for the torches and pitchforks. Agree to disagree and leave it at that.

[Cole]

Originally Posted by bfrank1972

Jeez, I dunno what you guys are all fired up about - he's being perfectly civil in my book. Maybe there's disagreement, maybe some see what he's saying as as conjecture, but no need for the torches and pitchforks. Agree to disagree and leave it at that.

Because he is 100 percent wrong. The only thing he can back up any claims with is anecdotal evidence. The spread of misinformation labeled as fact is not ok.

[D_Thissen]

Originally Posted by Gforce

You're reaction is consistent with either of course. They cannot both be the case. One does wonder what mental process contemplated both as alternate realities.

But to your point, yes, sadly you wasted your money. You bought a car which is ideally set up to teach you how to drive properly and apparently wasted that opportunity.

Yet you own a 2013 brz?

[Captain Snooze]

Of course there's no such thing as personal preference/driving style.
There's only one correct version of anything.

[Gforce]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

Of course there's no such thing as personal preference/driving style.
There's only one correct version of anything.

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Obviously, only one of the two drivers is actually any good.

[Gforce]

Originally Posted by D_Thissen

Yet you own a 2013 brz?

Um, yup, the 2017 wasn't available then. I'm sure you have a point but please, remove your hat so we can all see it.

[Gforce]

Originally Posted by Cole

Again I ask, why did I waste my money if I use my car responsibly on the street, ie, in public, with other people around, in what you call the most dangerous and highest skill level required driving situation?

But to your point, yes, sadly you wasted your money. You bought a car which is ideally set up to teach you how to drive properly and apparently wasted that opportunity.