I'm conflicted on coilovers

[RJasonKlein]

Originally Posted by mav1178

Ah I think it was wrong words used. The one we tested was very very good, great dyno chart after running for 30 minutes.

Thanks for the clarification - I stand corrected!

[86TX]

Originally Posted by 86TX

So I've been surfing the forums for thoughts on coilovers and from what I've seen, the best coils for a good price are the notorious BC racing or megan coilovers. I've found through digging and being nosy is that they make noise and aren't that great. I dont know if this is just the area they are in or bad driving etc, but I would rather see more recent coilover discussions that are after 2014.

I want a pretty good performance oriented coilover but also want some that drop me pretty low without bottoming out on the threads.

The roads here in north texas are pretty terrible but since i live in the suburbs i can easily avoid said roads.


Please bless me with yalls wisdom!

UPDATE: I've decided to get the Meister CRDs
Ive heard they are pretty good quality and a good ride, and they even have the ride height i want without bottoming out on threads, a friend of mine runs a setup for track and DD and he doesnt have noise or any problems do far with his Meister coils and hes had them for 15k miles

sounds good to me, thank you all for helping me out!

-Willus


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[86TX]

Originally Posted by MeisterR

Here is what I have seen:



1. Cheaper suspension isn't all bad

You CAN make a good suspension within the $1000 mark.

You will have a few design limitation, but it is something that can be over come if you have the right experience.

Just because ONE suspension isn't great at that price range, it doesn't mean ALL suspension is bad at that price bracket.



2. NOT all suspension in the same price bracket are the same.

While some factory do make suspension for multiple brands, OEM supplier can make specific request because it is their unique product.

There will again be limitation as well as increase in production cost, but it is something many do all the time.



These specific request are cover under a non-disclosure agreement.

The details of one customers are not share with anyone else.

What that mean is even if it's the factory own product line, it will not have the specific request of an OEM supplier.

To "steal" the customer request and implement it in any other product is a direct breach of the non-disclosure agreement.



3. Expensive suspension doesn't always mean a better track suspension.

One of the very common questions I get ask is how well MeisterR suspension will work on track.

I get ask this a lot because customers who decide to track their car but purchase twin-tube suspension (Tein / Koni / GAZ / etc) have often experience fade near the end of the session.

That is when the damper get hot enough where the oil inside have change viscosity.

So the overall damper feel "softer", because the thinner oil is providing less resistance.



A good mono-tube damper such as MeisterR will handle a full track session without fade issue.

The mono-tube are able to deal with the heat generated from the damper.

This provide consistent performance during hard usage.



This is one point I try to stress because I seen it time and time again where twin-tube dampers just don't live up to hard track usage.

There are exception, but this is a general over view.



4. Coilovers DOES NOT have to be a hard ride

A common view is that coilovers aren't good for street car because they are design for track and will ride very stiff.

That is wrong as coilovers can be just as comfortable as any OEM dampers.

The difference between a stiff ride or a comfortable ride is how the suspension were designed.



The reason that this get pass around because alot of coilovers provider simply focus on "track use" on their product.

This mean customer buy their product, install onto their road car, and the ride is horrible no matter how you adjust the suspension.



It is always going to be a compromise.

You cannot have a suspension that will work well on a track car using slick tires, that will also do well on a tarmac rally stage.

But you can get a suspension that will work in a tarmac rally stage to work relatively well on the track.

It might not be as hardcore as a pure track setup, but it will work well enough as an all rounder.



That is how we generally valve our fast road suspension.

You want the suspension to do everything well, but you want the suspension to focus on it's main job.

That is to provide good ride quality and compliancy over uneven road surfaces, something we face 90% of the time when we are driving our car.



Hope that is a few point to help out members who are thinking about what to do.





Jerrick

thanks for this im gonna run the CRDs


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[wparsons]

Originally Posted by gled21

increased performance when spirited driving mainly, also to get rid of the wheel gap

Most people are far better off with a good set of springs (Swift sport, RCE yellows) than coilovers. If you aren't going to be fiddling with damping adjustments, get something like the ST's. Good price point, good performance.

[Mach Midnight]

What are the most expensive/best currently available?

[cjd]

Originally Posted by Mach Midnight

What are the most expensive/best currently available?

For what?

Most expensive is probably Penske 4-way adjustable...

[kch]

Originally Posted by Mach Midnight

What are the most expensive/best currently available?

Custom 4-way Penskes are the most expensive. Probably the best on track, but I can't provide proof of that.

http://counterspacegarage.com/produc...-frs-gt86.html

Other good choices for high-end suspension include these JRZs:

http://counterspacegarage.com/produc...o-brz-frs.html

Or the Tein SRC:

http://counterspacegarage.com/produc...c-brz-frs.html


But these are all overkill unless you're doing serious track driving.

[Mach Midnight]

Originally Posted by cjd

For what?

Most expensive is probably Penske 4-way adjustable...

Originally Posted by kch

Custom 4-way Penskes are the most expensive. Probably the best on track, but I can't provide proof of that.

http://counterspacegarage.com/produc...-frs-gt86.html

Other good choices for high-end suspension include these JRZs:

http://counterspacegarage.com/produc...o-brz-frs.html

Or the Tein SRC:

http://counterspacegarage.com/produc...c-brz-frs.html


But these are all overkill unless you're doing serious track driving.

Thanks dudes. I know it's a really general question, just curious lol.

[churchx]

Tein SRCs from these listed should be of rather good price/performance. Yes, not THE best, but good enough, better then lot of other alternatives, and at 1/4 the price of penskes. Certainly not 4x worse then them

[Ashikabi]

Only $12000? What a deal

[MeisterR]

Originally Posted by Mach Midnight

What are the most expensive/best currently available?

Depend on what you want, we can certainly custom build something that are expensive.

You want to have gold color damper rod?
No problem... we can coat our damper rod in Titanium Nitrate for that bling gold look (done this before for a customer on special request).

You want to have full alloy body, 3-way suspension custom build to the car's exact specification and vehicle dynamics?
No problem, we have in house engineers available for all calculation.

You want to have every single seal custom CNC made for the specific damper?
We can make those in house.

You want to run 2 pistons inside the damper?
Doing that already with our GT1 coilovers.

You want to run 5 dampers on the car?
No problem... done that before also.

As for best, we can probably get right up there on a custom build and win championship.
But then "best" is subjective so it will depend on how you classify it.

The major concerns is always what is the budget and what is the goal.
The sky is the limit with suspension, it is using the right part effectively to give you the result you want that is more difficult.

Jerrick

[churchx]

5 dampers? What might be the usage case? :/

[Ashikabi]

Originally Posted by churchx

5 dampers? What might be the usage case? :/

I'm curious about this too... I get six but an odd number is baffling me

[Racecomp Engineering]

You could have a lot more than 4 dampers on a car. 4 corners + 2 for pitch + 2 for roll + 2 for ride.

- Andrew