Does the BRZ get same refresh?

[rustyfender]

Let's get one thing straight if you need or would like hill assist you need to practice. No offence intended but I've only ever owned manual cars and in the 15 years I've been driving I have never needed hill start. I live in British Columbia Canada and we have a lot of hills. Actually we hardly have any flat ground at all. Makes for a lot of wonderfull roads

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[themadscientist]

Originally Posted by DaJo

God damn! Get it right! It's TOYOTA 86, not GT-86 or GT86! (Unless you're in Europe!)

TOYOTA 86!!!!!!

I swear, I'm going to punch a baby in the face the next time I hear another North American say "GT86" referring to the TOYOTA 86



It is sold worldwide under three different brands with respective model names:

• Toyota 86 in Asia, South Africa, South America and Australia;[1] GT86 in Europe; both of the preceding names in New Zealand; FT86 in Nicaragua and Jamaica;
• Subaru BRZ worldwide;
• Scion FR-S in the US and Canada. For the 2017 model year, the Scion FR-S will be renamed as the Toyota 86.[2][3]

/rant

The real 86 finds your outrage ironic.

[DaJo]

Originally Posted by themadscientist

The real 86 finds your outrage ironic.

The "real" 86 are the modern ones we have today. The "old 86" (for the lack of better words) were called Toyota Trueno/Levin/Corolla GT-S. Their chassis were just called AE86 hence the commonly used nickname, 86.

[Sport-Tech]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

lol as if that wasn't contractually pre-determined 6+ years ago.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Like was said already the split was decided before the first car ever rolled off the line. The number of BRZs world wide is much smaller but not because they don't sell as well but because that was all that were made in the firstplace..

Well where are they selling all those FRSs these days then? Certainly not in North America as the sales data here makes clear. In December 2012 FRSs were outselling BRZs 3 to 1 in the US. By December 2015 this ratio has dropped to half that - 1.5 to 1. So there must be some flexibility in the production ratios - or else there are fleets of FRSs sitting in dealer lots with lots of money on the hood ATM. It doesn't seem reasonable to assume that the rest of the world has undergone a reverse sales ratio trend that is taking up the unneeded FRS production.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Sport-Tech

Well where are they selling all those FRSs these days then? Certainly not in North America as the sales data here makes clear. In December 2012 FRSs were outselling BRZs 3 to 1 in the US. By December 2015 this ratio has dropped to half that - 1.5 to 1. So there must be some flexibility in the production ratios - or else there are fleets of FRSs sitting in dealer lots with lots of money on the hood ATM. It doesn't seem reasonable to assume that the rest of the world has undergone a reverse sales ratio trend that is taking up the unneeded FRS production.

They are selling at different ratios because they are now made at different ratios. That is part of what was meant when we said the numbers are planned ahead. Like you yourself said there are not huge stockpiles of FRSs sitting someplace so the build numbers were planned against anticipated sales.

[Sport-Tech]

^ Interesting. There is no way that Toyota or Subaru would have been able to presciently anticipate the change in sales ratios that developed. The only reasonable conclusion is that they saw the trend start and then reacted accordingly. So the current production ratios were not in fact "contractually predetermined 6+ years ago".

[Kronos]

First I've seen of this

http://autotrends.my/2017-subaru-brz...leaked-photos/


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[themadscientist]

Originally Posted by DaJo

The "real" 86 are the modern ones we have today. The "old 86" (for the lack of better words) were called Toyota Trueno/Levin/Corolla GT-S. Their chassis were just called AE86 hence the commonly used nickname, 86.

No, they can call it that if they want, but it's just a marketing ploy. It's as dumb as if they called the real 86 a 27.
The car should be called a Levin, if they want to tie it into that line of cars. It's even worse than that. The real 86 didn't have a goofy Subaru engine.

Look where I live. You don't need to explain the car to me.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Kronos

First I've seen of this

http://autotrends.my/2017-subaru-brz...leaked-photos/


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GhostRai scooped them on here!
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103185

[DaJo]

Originally Posted by themadscientist

No, they can call it that if they want, but it's just a marketing ploy. It's as dumb as if they called the real 86 a 27.
The car should be called a Levin, if they want to tie it into that line of cars. It's even worse than that. The real 86 didn't have a goofy Subaru engine.

Look where I live. You don't need to explain the car to me.

It always has been a marketing strategy... I don't doubt that. That's how they sell cars.

Why would this car be called a Levin? They didn't call it a Trueno... 86 is 86, marketed to refer to its light-weight FR platform. I'm pretty sure we can all understand why they didn't have their own Toyota engine in there and why they went with Subaru instead. (It's the modern age now, tech evolves and corporate shares instead of having to "invent" a new engine)

I respect that you live in Japan, and with all due respect... it doesn't mean just anybody living in Japan knows everything... That's like saying because I live in Canada, I know how to build igloos (I don't, lol)...

I've owned an AE86 for 5 years, and I've been in that scene for a while myself waaaaay before the 86/BRZ were even in concept stages. In fact, it was my first car ever.

[themadscientist]

Originally Posted by DaJo

It always has been a marketing strategy... I don't doubt that. That's how they sell cars.

Why would this car be called a Levin? They didn't call it a Trueno... 86 is 86, marketed to refer to its light-weight FR platform. I'm pretty sure we can all understand why they didn't have their own Toyota engine in there and why they went with Subaru instead. (It's the modern age now, tech evolves and corporate shares instead of having to "invent" a new engine)

I respect that you live in Japan, and with all due respect... it doesn't mean just anybody living in Japan knows everything... That's like saying because I live in Canada, I know how to build igloos (I don't, lol)...

I've owned an AE86 for 5 years, and I've been in that scene for a while myself waaaaay before the 86/BRZ were even in concept stages. In fact, it was my first car ever.

They would call it a Levin because it has fixed headlights not pop ups. That's the Treuno.

It is obvious that they are trying to carry on the idea as you have already pointed out so, with that being the case.

AE86 Levin


AE92 Levin


AE101 Levin


AE111 Levin


And now they brought it back to rear wheel drive. Call it it an AE121 Levin or something. Don't call it an 86, that's a different car and it's cheesy to need to reminisce with the revival of that number.

No engine? What? They already had a fantastic engine fully developed and ready to port into the new chassis. It was underpowered in the Altezza, but it would have shined in the new Levin.



And it's proven to fit.



Unfortunately, Toyota forgot how to build a lightweight RWD sports car. They were so desperate they had to ask Subaru to do it and they haven't built something that just spun the rear wheels in a long freakin time. That must have drove them up the wall just leaving the front tires to steer and brake and not pull the car along. They did a great job, though. Whoever did which part, well done. Whoever thought the sound tube thing up, though, the FC3S RX7 cold solder guy thinks you suck. Yeah, it's that weak.

Igloos, no, that's Alaska. Hockey and maple syrup shots, eh?

You picked a very special first car. Don't ever let it go and stay on top of that rust. I didn't have one of those until years later and mine was in terrible condition and I never got to enjoy it like I know they can be enjoyed. I spent my 20s beating on R30 Skylines and my 30s on R32s. I always sort of despised the 86s because it seemed like you always won in one of those. If you lost to a fast car, of course, that's expected, no foul, but if you got over on a faster car you made them look foolish.

I only ever beat 86s at their game twice. Once in my wife's AE101 with the silvertop 20 valve and another time in my S13 Q CA18DE. That car was awesome. I gutted it it down to the front seats and a dashboard and there was no AC or power steering. It was, essentially a bigger hachiroku and that one I ran was upset. He knew it was a Q, he had to, it sounded like his car with just a hair more roar and no turbo noises and it must have pissed him off that I was spankin his ass. Then my buddy's shoes started to melt. HKS header, no wrap and an uncarpeted steel floor.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by themadscientist

They would call it a Levin because it has fixed headlights not pop ups. That's the Treuno.

It is obvious that they are trying to carry on the idea as you have already pointed out so, with that being the case.

AE86 Levin


AE92 Levin


AE101 Levin


AE111 Levin

Mark Levin

[themadscientist]

Nice!

Rush Limbaugh.



Toyota Rush.



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[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

Mark Levin

Originally Posted by themadscientist

Nice!

Rush Limbaugh.



Toyota Rush.


Brought to you by keep a word drop a word, the annex.

OH OH I'll play!


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