Innovate (Sprintex) Supercharger Owners Topic

[sickmint79]

Originally Posted by DeliciousTuning

Why is your fuel so bad? Just doesn't make sense especially being the US receives a lot of oil from Saudi Arabia. Correct? You would think you would have the best fuel. Learn something new every day.

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

refineries are the guys actually making the gas. as i recall, iran can't even refine its own gas, since they have sour crude - they need to export the oil and import the finished gas.

Originally Posted by 8686

refining technology is old. We need to import some new technologies from the US and some corn juice.


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it would seem corn based us ethanol on its way to saudi arabia is not high on the list of likely things to happen! fyi this is also very political and not based on market and economic need here - corn is not the best input for ethanol by any measure. corn itself in the us is a very protected market (corn is subsidized, brazilian sugar has tariffs iirc)

[brianhj]

Is this supercharger supposed to whistle so loud?

Seems like it's awfully loud with almost no gain on the low end. Kinda disappointed to be honest. Stage 1 with 93, stock header. Reminds me more of when my stereo would have a bad ground and would pick up alternator whine.

I could live with the whistling if it produced results on pay with the amount of noise it's making!

Edit: I'm not bashing it or the car, just looking for feedback /opinions

Edit2: E85, header, and intercooler are on my list of upgrades, which should I go with first? Maybe I should go with rotrex instead?

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by brianhj

Is this supercharger supposed to whistle so loud?

Seems like it's awfully loud with almost no gain on the low end. Kinda disappointed to be honest. Stage 1 with 93, stock header. Reminds me more of when my stereo would have a bad ground and would pick up alternator whine.

I could live with the whistling if it produced results on pay with the amount of noise it's making!

Edit: I'm not bashing it or the car, just looking for feedback /opinions

Edit2: E85, header, and intercooler are on my list of upgrades, which should I go with first? Maybe I should go with rotrex instead?

Yes all PD whines.
It's a PD, tends to have more power in the low end than centrifugal ones, like running a V6.

[brianhj]

Originally Posted by s2d4

Yes all PD whines.
It's a PD, tends to have more power in the low end than centrifugal ones, like running a V6.

Yeah I get it's supposed to whine but holy shit it's like a loud whistle or howl.

Also low end feels just as weak as stock. Definitely not like running a V6 lol

[CK_Bladesmith]

Originally Posted by brianhj

Yeah I get it's supposed to whine but holy shit it's like a loud whistle or howl.

Also low end feels just as weak as stock. Definitely not like running a V6 lol

Get the intercooler and a 70mm pulley and it will. Huge difference.

[brianhj]

Originally Posted by CK_Bladesmith

Get the intercooler and a 70mm pulley and it will. Huge difference.

Thanks for reply, sorry I forgot to mention I'm running the 69mm pulley from delicious tuning

[brianhj]

Low end just seems so sluggish, just like stock. I guess I was expecting more

[CK_Bladesmith]

Originally Posted by brianhj

Low end just seems so sluggish, just like stock. I guess I was expecting more

It's not gonna have the "pull you back in the seat" torque like a v8 but it certainly should be better than what you describe. Maybe your car is pulling timing due to too much heatsoak from not having an intercooler? Just a thought.

[brianhj]

Originally Posted by CK_Bladesmith

It's not gonna have the "pull you back in the seat" torque like a v8 but it certainly should be better than what you describe. Maybe your car is pulling timing due to too much heatsoak from not having an intercooler? Just a thought.

Yeah I mean it feels stock until I really get on it. I wanted to go S/C route to have low end improvement but there doesn't seem to be any, just the overbearing noise.

Maybe so, how could I find out? I did the install and uploaded tune from delicious myself. Take it to dyno?

[CK_Bladesmith]

Originally Posted by brianhj

Yeah I mean it feels stock until I really get on it. I wanted to go S/C route to have low end improvement but there doesn't seem to be any, just the overbearing noise.

Maybe so, how could I find out? I did the install and uploaded tune from delicious myself. Take it to dyno?

Bill at delicious may have a better answer for you. I'd get in touch with him.

[sam69]

Was speaking to one of the guy's I know at Sprintex a while ago and he said you shouldn't run the 69mm pulley without the intercooler as it creates way to much heat soak so you're most likely loosing power not gaining.

First thing would be to get the cooler into it then go exhaust if you want a bit more but speak to William at Delicious Tune .

[MINOCIN]

Originally Posted by brianhj

Yeah I get it's supposed to whine but holy shit it's like a loud whistle or howl.

I agree, the whirrling noise at idle does sound like a bad ground on a stereo but that's not uncommon. My buddy had a factory supercharged 2003 Mustang GT that sounded the same. As for the howl, I imagine that's at above 3,500 RPM or so right, or do you perhaps have an air intake system that exacerbates the noise?

I personally love the charger whine when I step on it, but my exhaust headers are pretty loud so that kind of overpowers everything else

Originally Posted by brianhj

Also low end feels just as weak as stock. Definitely not like running a V6 lol

Well, torque doesn't really start building up past stock numbers until 2,500 rpm. 3,300-3,500 rpm is where the torque starts to flatten out. So yeah, below that it should feel like stock.

I've seen Zach from Delicious say that an intercooler is a must with smaller pulleys. Also that a 69 mm pulley with intercooler and E85 should make somewhere around 300 whp, so that's something to aim for.

I will say that even with an intercooler on the stock 75 mm pulley that the kit does not make my car feel like a high displacement torquey V6. Overall, torque and power are still relatively low when compared to modern V6s. It's definitely not like a 3.5+ liter displacement V6, the low and mid-range powerband aren't punchy. Instead I would say that the kit makes the car feel more like the older low displacement V6 engines, such as an E36 325i or VR6 motors. The motors that require you to really wring them out. So still not a lot of power and torque, but still good enough to pass people on the freeway or to be lazy with your shifts

Oh, I just remembered something. What ecu map are you running? If you're not changing your map each time you start up your car then the default accelerator setting is set to "soft". This map I guess was intended for better fuel efficiency and smoother (laggy in my opinion) throttle response and acceleration. The accelerator trim options for each map should be as follows; soft, standard, sport and drag. I believe these settings were introduced in tune version 8.65. Every time I get in my car I have to set the map back to standard, because I can't stand the soft setting.

Here's how to switch maps.
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I wish "standard" was the default setting instead of "soft". I mean, standard as a default setting makes sense right?

[brianhj]

Originally Posted by sam69

Was speaking to one of the guy's I know at Sprintex a while ago and he said you shouldn't run the 69mm pulley without the intercooler as it creates way to much heat soak so you're most likely loosing power not gaining.

First thing would be to get the cooler into it then go exhaust if you want a bit more but speak to William at Delicious Tune .

Really?? I could throw the original pulley on. Maybe I'll try that

[brianhj]

Originally Posted by MINOCIN

I agree, the whirrling noise at idle does sound like a bad ground on a stereo but that's not uncommon. My buddy had a factory supercharged 2003 Mustang GT that sounded the same. As for the howl, I imagine that's at above 3,500 RPM or so right, or do you perhaps have an air intake system that exacerbates the noise?

I personally love the charger whine when I step on it, but my exhaust headers are pretty loud so that kind of overpowers everything else



Well, torque doesn't really start building up past stock numbers until 2,500 rpm. 3,300-3,500 rpm is where the torque starts to flatten out. So yeah, below that it should feel like stock.

I've seen Zach from Delicious say that an intercooler is a must with smaller pulleys. Also that a 69 mm pulley with intercooler and E85 should make somewhere around 300 whp, so that's something to aim for.

I will say that even with an intercooler on the stock 75 mm pulley that the kit does not make my car feel like a high displacement torquey V6. Overall, torque and power are still relatively low when compared to modern V6s. It's definitely not like a 3.5+ liter displacement V6, the low and mid-range powerband aren't punchy. Instead I would say that the kit makes the car feel more like the older low displacement V6 engines, such as an E36 325i or VR6 motors. The motors that require you to really wring them out. So still not a lot of power and torque, but still good enough to pass people on the freeway or to be lazy with your shifts

Oh, I just remembered something. What ecu map are you running? If you're not changing your map each time you start up your car then the default accelerator setting is set to "soft". This map I guess was intended for better fuel efficiency and smoother (laggy in my opinion) throttle response and acceleration. The accelerator trim options for each map should be as follows; soft, standard, sport and drag. I believe these settings were introduced in tune version 8.65. Every time I get in my car I have to set the map back to standard, because I can't stand the soft setting.

Here's how to switch maps.

I wish "standard" was the default setting instead of "soft". I mean, standard as a default setting makes sense right?

Wow! Thanks for all the info. I'm thinking I need to put the original pulley on.

Holy cow I have different maps? I thought there was just one.