First Oil Change

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by M12Power

I believe Scion Service Boost doesn’t cover oil change right after break-in (first scheduled maintenance is still at 7,500 miles), so I plan to do it on my own soon (with Castrol EDGE full synthetic 0W-20 and Royal Purple 10-2808 filter).

Did you ask?

On the Subaru side, my first oil change at 3500 was included even though the maintenance schedule had it at 7500.

[pushrod]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

+1 on OEM filter and crush washer, ~$8 or at most $9.

+1 on first oil change at 7,500 miles (6.5k if the manual was changed). The factory fill has some anti-wear ingredients, theory is that those can 'treat' the surfaces of interest in the engine for longer life. I'm also a proponent of following factory instructions on break in (under 4k rpm first 1k miles, no constant speed). There are literally thousands of people who will vehemently oppose this paragraph, do whatever gives you warm fuzzies.

My grandfather, who has been working on cars since 1946, told me the best thing to do is drain the factory oil as soon as you get the car home and replace it with a thicker grade, so for us, it would be something like 20w50. He also said that you should never use "synthetic" oil, but rather stick with the tried and true dinosaur oil. It has additives that our engines need.

Also, he recommends putting a spoonful of bitumen into the oil filter before installation. This helps the filter get "used to" filtering contaminants from the oil. I saw him do this on a couple tractors and thought it was weird, but did they ever sound strong when he started them up!

As for intervals, 6500-7500 miles is crazy. Typical car companies trying to make a buck by using such short intervals. Instead, we should only be changing the oil every 1-2 years, regardless of mileage.

I don't use the stock drain plug. I just drill a fresh hole each time, and then braze it shut with a torch. Seems to work ok.

[Quentin]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

Did you ask?



On the Subaru side, my first oil change at 3500 was included even though the maintenance schedule had it at 7500.

You can ask to pull ahead one of your oil changes. You just lose one on the back end. Basically, they will give you 3 free oil changes whenever you like before 25k miles.

That said, changing your oil at 1000, 3500, or any other arbitrary time makes little sense. The oil is still very good at this time and the metal everyone is so worried about either gets caught by the filter or is microscopic enough that it won't cause any issues. The engine's oil system isn't like a differential where there isn't a filter or a controlled oil circuit. Bearings burn up because of oil starvation or contamination introduced during the assembly process. The latter situation wouldn't be prevented by putting brand new oil in your vehicle every single day.

When you drain your oil the first time, it will have a sheen to it from the initial wear and bedding in. I've pulled engines right off the end of the assembly line after motoring and they have that sheen. If we were truly worried about that metal sheen, you'd dump your oil the day you took delivery!


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[PhantomX]

That's odd. Regular "dinosaur" oil change intervals for my dealership is every 5,000 miles. Synthetic is every 10,000 miles. How regular oil is perceived to be better is really strange. Maybe back then, but motors have evolved, (well, not really evolved, but updated enough) so it probably is designed to take synthetic better. The only Toyota vehicle in the US I know still requires regular oil and not synthetic is the V6 Tacomas. I didn't understand why, but I'm sure the techs in service will explain it to me one day.

In either case, why not take advantage of the free oil change and regular maintenance for the first 2 years/25,000 miles?

[stugray]

Originally Posted by M12Power

I believe that’s actually against the law in the US (the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act). Toyota cannot refuse warranty work just because you take your car elsewhere for service. I believe it is also mentioned in the owners manual.

More info:
http://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles...ne-maintenance

SO you are arguing that since something is illegal that it never happens.
Guess we dont need law enforcement then....

There have been NUMEROUS cases of this exact thing happening in this forum.
AND on my previous car (99 toyota Solara) there was a very well known engine failure due to "engine sludge" and the dealer was refusing to replace engines due to "improper maintenance".
Toyota was blaming the owners for not performing the oil changes properly (which was complete BS).

I was even reading a thread where they tried that exact argument on a guy who had ALL of his oil changes performed byu the dealer.
WHen he made them check the service record that showed toyota was the only place that had touched his car, HE got a completely new engine.
Most of the people who did their own service got screwed.

Look it up:
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0...ettlement.html

"Toyota owners have repeatedly written ConsumerAffairs.com detailing Toyota's attempts to blame sludge problems on inadequate vehicle maintenance by the owner.

Charles in Arkansas said: "At 36,000 miles the engine gummed up and quit running. My wife had the oil changed at Wal-Mart and did not keep receipts for the oil changes. The North Little Rock dealer and the Toyota representative told us such problems were rare and that we had caused the problem but for $2,500 they could fix it. They inferred that my wife was a liar," he wrote.

With the new agreement, consumers need only show reasonable maintenance in terms of oil changes."


Yeah, it's illegal so this story must be a fabrication....

[ninedice]

This is roughly on topic. The service manual says every 7.5k miles or 7.5 months but my dealership absolutely INSISTED that it is every 6 months and put a sticker on my window for 6 months. I was told my warranty could be voided if I didn't get it every 6 months even know the manual says 7.5 months and 7.5k miles. (I drive less than 3.5k a year).

[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Originally Posted by stugray

SO you are arguing that since something is illegal that it never happens.
Guess we dont need law enforcement then....

There have been NUMEROUS cases of this exact thing happening in this forum.
AND on my previous car (99 toyota Solara) there was a very well known engine failure due to "engine sludge" and the dealer was refusing to replace engines due to "improper maintenance".
Toyota was blaming the owners for not performing the oil changes properly (which was complete BS).

I was even reading a thread where they tried that exact argument on a guy who had ALL of his oil changes performed byu the dealer.
WHen he made them check the service record that showed toyota was the only place that had touched his car, HE got a completely new engine.
Most of the people who did their own service got screwed.

Look it up:
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0...ettlement.html

"Toyota owners have repeatedly written ConsumerAffairs.com detailing Toyota's attempts to blame sludge problems on inadequate vehicle maintenance by the owner.

Charles in Arkansas said: "At 36,000 miles the engine gummed up and quit running. My wife had the oil changed at Wal-Mart and did not keep receipts for the oil changes. The North Little Rock dealer and the Toyota representative told us such problems were rare and that we had caused the problem but for $2,500 they could fix it. They inferred that my wife was a liar," he wrote.

With the new agreement, consumers need only show reasonable maintenance in terms of oil changes."


Yeah, it's illegal so this story must be a fabrication....

you're totally correct if you look in depth at people who have had warranty service denied on the forums, you'll know the warranty act does very little to prevent not getting warranty service. They can still outright blame anything on failure of a part unless you take them to court or go to a higher level......

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by pushrod

My grandfather, who has been working on cars since 1946, told me the best thing to do is drain the factory oil as soon as you get the car home and replace it with a thicker grade, so for us, it would be something like 20w50. He also said that you should never use "synthetic" oil, but rather stick with the tried and true dinosaur oil. It has additives that our engines need.

Also, he recommends putting a spoonful of bitumen into the oil filter before installation. This helps the filter get "used to" filtering contaminants from the oil. I saw him do this on a couple tractors and thought it was weird, but did they ever sound strong when he started them up!

As for intervals, 6500-7500 miles is crazy. Typical car companies trying to make a buck by using such short intervals. Instead, we should only be changing the oil every 1-2 years, regardless of mileage.

I don't use the stock drain plug. I just drill a fresh hole each time, and then braze it shut with a torch. Seems to work ok.

Hey Push, if you are going to do all that the don't forget to pour sawdust into your rad to help plug any leaks, put baby powder on the belts so they don't wear out so fast and use nothing but straight ethyl alcohol for windshield washer fluid. Oh ya and if you loosen the parking brake cable so it hangs down 2 inches you will get better mileage and go faster since the pads will not be dragging and slowing you down.

[Racer-X]

Originally Posted by ninedice

The service manual says every 7.5k miles or 7.5 months but my dealership absolutely INSISTED that it is every 6 months and put a sticker on my window for 6 months. I was told my warranty could be voided if I didn't get it every 6 months even know the manual says 7.5 months and 7.5k miles.

That's one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. Who would void the warranty if you followed its instructions? The dealer? Is your warranty with them?

The dealership I bought mine from put a sticker on it for 5,000 miles or some such. I just peeled that sucker right off.

[M12Power]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

Did you ask?

On the Subaru side, my first oil change at 3500 was included even though the maintenance schedule had it at 7500.

I never really asked, but here’s a clue. When I took delivery of the car, the sales guy wanted to go ahead and schedule my 7,500-mile service. When I mentioned about the oil change after the break-in period, he didn’t say anything. I didn’t press him on it, since I knew I most likely will be doing it myself. I probably won’t be bothered with the Scion Service Boost though, since I generally don’t trust those guys, and I hate taking the car in for service anyway. I’m leasing my FR-S btw, so call me crazy…

[billwot]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Hey Push, if you are going to do all that the don't forget to pour sawdust into your rad to help plug any leaks, put baby powder on the belts so they don't wear out so fast and use nothing but straight ethyl alcohol for windshield washer fluid. Oh ya and if you loosen the parking brake cable so it hangs down 2 inches you will get better mileage and go faster since the pads will not be dragging and slowing you down.

We used oatmeal in the radiator.

[tyrantcf]

I do my oil changes every 4000 miles like clockwork because habit and because I consider oil "cheap insurance."

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by billwot

We used oatmeal in the radiator.

Ahhhh stops leaks and provides a hearty breakfast!

[stugray]

Originally Posted by M12Power

I believe that’s actually against the law in the US (the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act). Toyota cannot refuse warranty work just because you take your car elsewhere for service. I believe it is also mentioned in the owners manual.

This is actually happening on another thread right now: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...=60047&page=10

Originally Posted by Tank

I'll be taking copies of my records to them next week. It sounds like it's not the dealership that is makes the final decision. ... It was initially refused for the lack of service records, however they've arranged for a representative to come look at the situation in person.

At this point all I know is that there is a lapse in the service history. I have records from my ownership, but not before. There are only 2 service records the dealership can see from before I bought it. The dealership I purchased it from received the car at 26k miles. I purchased it at 28k miles. My service records are at 32k miles and 38k miles. Engine started making noise at 42k. A representative is coming to check every thing out some time next week. Until then, I can only be hopeful.

So it happens...