Scion VP on Jalopnik

[tyrantcf]

Originally Posted by Hot Lava

Got what I wanted.

You are not alone!

[Tromatic]

Originally Posted by tyrantcf

You are not alone!

I bought the right car, too.

Originally Posted by tennisfreak

Scion/Toyota: There is absolutely no plan to give an overwhelming majority of people what they want by giving the FR-S more power. We have known, still know, and always will know what is best for you. We make what we want, not what our potential buyers want.

It's the man keeping you down, man. Given some of the complaints about the car here, seems they know what they are doing.

[tennisfreak]

Originally Posted by Hot Lava

Got what I wanted.

Same here, not disappointed in my car and love her the way she is.

That said, if there had been one next to mine on the lot with more power (however they decided to do it) would I have bought it?
Yep, even though it would cost more money.

Are there a lot of people out there that would have done the same thing?
Yep

Why do you think just about 9/10 articles and reviews on this car talk about how great it is but wish/hoped for more power even if it was only 50 more hp?
Because there are a lot of people that want it.

So just because there are some die hard fanboys on here that think the car is perfect the way it is does not mean there are not a lot of people out there that would not buy a version with more power.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by tennisfreak

So just because there are some die hard fanboys on here that think the car is perfect the way it is does not mean there are not a lot of people out there that would not buy a version with more power.

I find it very funny that slinging the word "fanboy" around is used so much by both sides of the argument!
"It has enough power" = Fanboy
"I supercharged and everybody should" = Fanboy
"I like the stock rims and tires" = Fanboy
"I am hellaflush" = Fanboy

I am also one of the people OK with the stock power but may have spent a little more if there was a higher HP version when I bought it. So I fall about half way between the two sides (Demifanboy?) and am solidly sitting on the fence. I think there are a pile of us actually that could swing easily to either side of the debate if given just the right push.
The big problem with getting more power at a greater cost is: Are there enough people to make it economically feasible for the manufacturer?
If there really are then they already have made the plans.
If not well...

[Jyn]

I wish there was a way to quantify peoples' credentials before reading their opinions. I have a feeling most people just speak from pure emotion without much applicable experience and even less desire to actually discuss...

Anyway, the Q&A was interesting enough. I learned some new insight into how Scion is trying to represent itself to the customer and some other little tidbits. As for the FR-S, I never expected an F/I model, so can't say I'm really surprised with any of the answers on that end.

[AznBRZer]

Honda has a $5k turbo kit for their CRZ.

So $31k for an factory warrantied vanilla FR-S or STI money for a BRZ version? I don't see that happening.

[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

I'm still waiting to hear about the car that Tetsuya Tada said will slot underneath the FR-S, a sporty/performance lineup of cars may help scion......

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Jyn

I wish there was a way to quantify peoples' credentials before reading their opinions. I have a feeling most people just speak from pure emotion without much applicable experience and even less desire to actually discuss...
.

Well said!
Not just a matter of credentials either though. There is also the whole "what are your priorities?" thing going on.
The guy wanting a wild weekend play toy should not be slamming the guy that wants a fuel efficient DD and vice versa. A forum such as this is the very worst place to determine if the "vast majority of owners" want "more power" as it consists of maybe 5% of them and we tend to be the group that leans that way to start with.
It has been said many, many times in threads already but the guys that think they just slap a on turbo on the assembly line and charge you $500 more just don't understand how the auto industry works. The companies exist to make a profit and if there is not enough payback they will not do anything just because a relatively small group wants it.
And for the last time - If they are planning a turbo/higher HP version it is already in the works!

[chaoskaze]

The one like wut Honda is doing with CRZ is pretty cool thou, I like the idea very much.

[tennisfreak]

@Tcoat I guess the best way I describe "fanboy" is someone who lambastes another for having a different opinion on a subject and unwilling to acknowledge that other opinions can be as valid as their own.

With that said I have nothing against those that are fine with the cars existing power.
I still wish, and there are others out there who agree, that there was at least an option to get higher power from the factory.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by tennisfreak

@Tcoat I guess the best way I describe "fanboy" is someone who lambastes another for having a different opinion on a subject and unwilling to acknowledge that other opinions can be as valid as their own.

I know, I know but it just confuses the hell out of me!
Am I, Am I not?
Damn I can't sleep at night anymore!!

Same with the whole more power thing! Sometimes I am all 'this is just perfect" then others all like "well a bit more would be nice"

Doesn't change the fact that they will only make what earns them the cash.
At least there are loads and loads of options out there for anybody that must have more!

[lMonsterl]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I know, I know but it just confuses the hell out of me!
Am I, Am I not?
Damn I can't sleep at night anymore!!

Same with the whole more power thing! Sometimes I am all 'this is just perfect" then others all like "well a bit more would be nice"

Doesn't change the fact that they will only make what earns them the cash.
At least there are loads and loads of options out there for anybody that must have more!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by lMonsterl

I like this guy already!

[Tromatic]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I know, I know but it just confuses the hell out of me!
Am I, Am I not?
Damn I can't sleep at night anymore!!

Same with the whole more power thing! Sometimes I am all 'this is just perfect" then others all like "well a bit more would be nice"

Doesn't change the fact that they will only make what earns them the cash.
At least there are loads and loads of options out there for anybody that must have more!

If you read the story of the 86 development, they spent a whole lot of time trying to decide on how much engine it should have. The vast majority of owners are more than happy with the result. Willing to bet that this forum does not even represent 10% of the ownership. If you can turn a profit catering only to 10% of your customers, props to you.

It's a minor miracle this car got built at all. Shit people bitch about is amazing.