Reasons you sold/or are going to sell your brz/frs

[kiichiro]

Originally Posted by x1UP

I agree with @Evolve here. I understand that you didn't like your BRZ/FRZ, but that doesn't mean that us here don't enjoy it.

People who bought this car should come into it knowing what you are getting. Unless you impulsed bought this, people did their research wrong and are finding out the hard way.

We here at the forum enjoy the car and it's the reason we have a community here.

I'm happy for you getting a Porsche, but your experience doesn't necessarily reflect on everyone else's here.

I agree with you both a lot

When I hit the cars well they were new
Very over hyped
Very much unproven

Not sure if that's my fault or just my wishful thinking
So I investigated and invested


Great daily drivers

[Speed2th]

Once again it is a 28k econo sports car and it was based on the core of ae86 Corolla. There are a lot of sports car are superior in many ways and it is silly to wish your budget sports car can tuned to beat them. If you can afford better cars, you should just go ahead to buy them. Modding car is really the worst investment and makes reliability worse. That said, I think that is what people learned and moved onto other cars. However, imo 86 is still an awesome choice for its price range.

[BRZPDX]

He got sold by the hype, buyers remorse, blames everything on the car, buys Porsche. Thank you and goodbye. next.


I'm sure a Porsche feels like garbage compared to the La Ferrari or a McLaren P1

[Budo]

Truthfully, I wish I had enough cash as Kiichiro does to buy myself a used Porsche. Good on you Kiichiro for being able to do so, but after hoping and wishing, that a 08 or earlier Cayman would have had the longevity of one of the older 911's and reading about the IMS engine failures, the company down south which manufactures ceramic bearings and the class action lawsuit, well I chose the safer route. Yes, there are still IMS engine Caymans running fine, 'cept I cannot afford to buy a new Porsche engine or a used one for that matter, had it blown. Regardless, I love my BRZ with all it's $28,000 worth of imperfections. K, best of luck with your Porsches.
Wait, am I thread jacking? Shit. Okay, to keep it real as someone else said I would sell my BRZ for that Kia concept car. Crap, no I wouldn't, it's fucking KIA that's going backwards. Okay back to my BRZ until something better comes along for $28k out the door. Cheers.

Budo

[kberkel]

Resale is falling like a rock IMO.

Ill probably run mine to the ground.

[FRStock]

Those complaining about resale: Don't buy a new car. Look at the resale of a 911. Bad decision financially.

I think when I decide to move on it'll be to an Elise or Cayman/911. Basically a bigger/better FRS.

[hmong337]

Thought about selling but I'd take a $15,000 hit! Luckily, this car is good enough to keep. The styling is modern and sexy and I have been waiting for something lightweight and fresh like the ft86 for a long time. There's nothing like it out on the road and I'm thankful to have one.

But many times I feel like kicking myself for getting this car when I could've gotten a C6 Vette, STi or Evo, an S2000, or something crazy.

[EAGLE5]

I think used values will level out around 16k then slowly drop from there. At 20k, you have a lot of higher power used options. Not so much at 16k. Losing 5k a year should be no surprise, and like all cheap sports cars, the twins get abused most of the time.

[thill]

Originally Posted by kiichiro

how do I really feel? I spent alot bought two cars test alot of shit said thanks and wont be buying a subaru again, unless it a 2004-2005 sti

1-design: shit poor cabin resonance, poor post production rattles, and noise mitigation
2-production:3rd set of leaky assed tail lights, leaky assed air mix flap seal in ac system
3-aftermarket: clutch did not hold advertised power, shame on ACT clutches and teh oe tranny is just garbage, now say it with a french accent
4-tuning:revving while the clutch is in while in gear, as a result of a tuned motor seems par for course, ecu is garbage, throttle body and drive by wire meh at best
5-design:oil pressure inadequate for building up motor, waste of resources/glass ceiling the turbo version motor is the one to build off of not the NA 'garbaaagge'
6-warranty:no way to enjoy car without voiding warranty and 'askin for it' more garbage that not one part on this car comes ready for track, not one well may be the diff at best
7-oe driveline lash unacceptable under higher power, solid driveline creates NVH from the diff forward, what is up with that lame mount setup, and thos emotor mounts, omg aweful
8-oe steering and suspension bushings are a joke on a sports minded car/coupe
9-oe driveline bushes are also a joke for a car meant o be tuned, leaving heims as only option
10-soft strut and shock mounts on body requiring reinforcement, im fine with heims on a car that can deliver, this one can not without the commitment of a shop and dedicated car, private parties its not worth it unless youre using it to advertise and sell parts; this is not a miata or a s2000; its inferior in design, production and in its essense, so its handling is good, that doesnt make up for crap that wont hold up for anything past a 55 mph commute past 80k miles; our vortech sc on teh street car held up better than the car did
11-repeat #1

we left one stock and oe suspension had too much wear at 80k, crap oe parts really
we tuned the heck out of the other one with race SC, race suspension and race exhaust and race caster and camber bits it was race -ish but still getting passed by a v6 passenger car with a lil work
even the vortech race kit has its limits that are not high enough with our 6 rib belt; we would need to go to a 8 rib setup and were unwilling to invest in that modding
i'm just tired of worn belts, leaking seals and as great as sc is for street, it didnt do what I wanted it to do for me on the track with any degree of reliability, if it wasnt a seal it was a belt, if it wasnt that it was a slipping clutch, not the fault of subaru except nothing supplied tsock can be tracked, its BS

I was unwilling to go turbo for track given this cars packaging

in the end the multitude of vendors and parts made a car that performed but would need to be a trailer queen and need a significant amount of reinforcement to be what we want iot to be at a race track

and felt unwilling to commit to a built motor given the known issues with fuel delivey(not the pump every vendor try to sell you that wont fit oe,) but the fuel tank design is so poor its only fit and designed for passenger car usage, didnt want to invest in fuel cell and proper fuel delivery return pressure system like whats on most higher end sports cars now days
the oe tranny is limited in what it can take, and after a few e85 track days its clear where the wear is when you dump fluids

they are not holding value on market which has more and more of them popping up with low miles for sale
we sold both and got two used P cars and our values are stable, suspension well sorted and needs little work, both cars come factory with 300hp and 400hp respectively and short of going full on for recreation track time will be more than what the 86 platform could offer

my next step would have been to do a vette motor and tranny swap
I think I will keep the new porsche and maybe pick up a stingray when they come avail used

unless I find a 2004-2005 STI to play with, I'm done with subaru, till the brz come down to well under 10k, and then it may be worth buying one really rough , gutting it and tracking it after a LSx motor swap caus eteh chassis is a half decent one out on the track, absolute crap for a daily driver tho

that said aftyer just one track day in my 911s, i regret the time and money wasted, aside from the experience its not worth it

everyone I know except the hard core mechanics have came, and withdrawn

when you add in the mishandled forum, its no wonder the good guys all got banned and the info present was, well skewed, and far from the organic forum experience I have ha don other sights
this place just reflects the car
the 86 is just a toy kids

I gave up trying to read and understand this mess...

[sactownbwoy]

Originally Posted by thill

I bought my BRZ because I test drove it and fell in love.. I came from a long line of RX-7's (owned three of them) and I really have not felt a car captured the spirit of the RX-7 since. The BRZ did it for me. And while it was not an impulse buy, I have three little kids. Our other car is a minivan and up to last year it was used almost primarily to transport the little ones. So my car was my daily driver and mostly weekend car to run errands. Then my two oldest kids got accepted into a black belt karate program which requires me to shuttle them 3 times a week in the evenings on the way home from work.. The BRZ got old real fast trying to cram them in there. I loved the car, but pulled the trigger on a WRX because it is a much better family car. Living in an area that sees snow 8 months out of the year, it is also more practical in inclimate weather.

I love the WRX, but there is no question the BRZ is a special car. I am saving up to either buy a used FR-S/BRZ, Miata, or S2K for my weekend fun car. Realistically, it will most likely be a Miata since they are so cheap and there are so many used ones out there.

That's how I felt when I got in the BRZ. I was all about it. I had a '94 RX-7, loved the car and had plans to buy another in a few years. When the opportunity arose to get a BRZ, I bought it.


I still plan on buying a RX-7 down the road. If you haven't driven a RX-7 especially a FD, you don't know what you are missing.

[thill]

Originally Posted by sactownbwoy

That's how I felt when I got in the BRZ. I was all about it. I had a '94 RX-7, loved the car and had plans to buy another in a few years. When the opportunity arose to get a BRZ, I bought it.


I still plan on buying a RX-7 down the road. If you haven't driven a RX-7 especially a FD, you don't know what you are missing.

The 93 FD RX-7 I sold back in the late 90's was probably easily my biggest regret once I sold it. The car was super clean and low mileage but I was in the military and just got tired of not being able to drive the car (constantly deployed/traveling). If I would have kept the car it would easily be worth $10-12K more now than what I sold it for.

They really are great cars, but they require a lot more maintenance than any car I have ever owned. It's the biggest mistake people make when buying them, because you have to get in the habit of checking the oil weekly, if not even more sooner depending on how hard you are driving it.

If you get a chance to buy one, take it. Such a great car... I honestly think the BRZ/FR-S will be very desirable in about 5-8 years in the used market once the price drops enough to make it more of a fun track/weekend toy. People that bitch about rattles, interior amenities, and even power just don't get the car.

[sactownbwoy]

Originally Posted by thill

The 93 FD RX-7 I sold back in the late 90's was probably easily my biggest regret once I sold it. The car was super clean and low mileage but I was in the military and just got tired of not being able to drive the car (constantly deployed/traveling). If I would have kept the car it would easily be worth $10-12K more now than what I sold it for.

They really are great cars, but they require a lot more maintenance than any car I have ever owned. It's the biggest mistake people make when buying them, because you have to get in the habit of checking the oil weekly, if not even more sooner depending on how hard you are driving it.

If you get a chance to buy one, take it. Such a great car... I honestly think the BRZ/FR-S will be very desirable in about 5-8 years in the used market once the price drops enough to make it more of a fun track/weekend toy. People that bitch about rattles, interior amenities, and even power just don't get the car.

I'm currently in the Marines so I get the deployments and traveling. I changed the oil monthly in my FD. I had mine in Japan and got rid of it when I left, but they are so easy to get out there it was nothing.


I don't plan on getting rid of my BRZ. I will have a BRZ and FD, in the garage next to each other, looking sexy. I love the lines of the FD.

[thill]

Originally Posted by sactownbwoy

I'm currently in the Marines so I get the deployments and traveling. I changed the oil monthly in my FD. I had mine in Japan and got rid of it when I left, but they are so easy to get out there it was nothing.


I don't plan on getting rid of my BRZ. I will have a BRZ and FD, in the garage next to each other, looking sexy. I love the lines of the FD.

Thanks for serving! I bet it was a blast serving in Japan, I spent just a week there, but a lot of time in South Korea. I also love the lines of the FD. Some cars age well, some don't. I think both the FD and the FT86 will age very well.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by thill

I gave up trying to read and understand this mess...

tl;dr for ~$50k get the car that was built to go ~$50k worth of fast from the factory, it'll just be plain better in just about every aspect.

All sorts of caveats to that, but everybody here with two thoughts rattling around in their skulls understands why. Cue the if's and's and butt's.