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Abflug · 08-12-2010, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by NESW20

it's debated quite a bit which cars handle better, but i have no problems with my 91 because i know what i'm doing behind the wheel.

No problems, too!

oh wait, yes there was something, too wet and too fast one a horrible autobahn exit and you get snap oversteer with a nice 360° spin... you can´t do nothing except praying an hoping

NESW20 · 08-12-2010, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TomGT

No problems, too!

oh wait, yes there was something, too wet and too fast one a horrible autobahn exit and you get snap oversteer with a nice 360° spin... you can´t do nothing except praying an hoping

the car did nothing wrong.

i've spun my car before, but it was my fault every time it happened. i don't remember the last time i spun it, but it's been a long, long time.

Abflug · 08-12-2010, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by NESW20

the car did nothing wrong.

i've spun my car before, but it was my fault every time it happened. i don't remember the last time i spun it, but it's been a long, long time.

I think we know what we`re talking ´bout :happy0180:

slow in, fast out

Abflug · 08-12-2010, 05:08 PM

BTT: I think I will lease first GEN - let´s see what´s gonna happen...

ichitaka05 · 08-12-2010, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TomGT

BTT: I think I will lease first GEN - let´s see what´s gonna happen...

Hm... never thought bout leasing it. Might look into it, but see the + & -

btw, I like your avi! Awesome!

NESW20 · 08-12-2010, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TomGT

I think we know what we`re talking ´bout :happy0180:

slow in, fast out

QFT.

that right there is KEY to being fast.

bigbcraig · 08-12-2010, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dimman

Now the question is, having had this past experience and seeing as Honda did something similar with the S2K: Will the first FT/R-86/S be pre-dumbed down handling-wise, and we will have to wait for a performance revision (or after-market fix)?

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Originally Posted by 70NYD

im gonna say aftermarket fix.. im pretty sure that it is a unwritten SAE rule to make cars that tend to understeer more so than oversteer

It's not an SAE rule... it's the media along with pansy orginizations like Consumer Reports, that have tests designed to make vehicles snap-oversteer and then cry and complain when physics happens. (a la recent GX460 "scandal") Or media coverage about an 'awful characteristic' of Prius brakes - when the ABS is activated, the brake pedal vibrates (!) ... punishing automakers for making cars that handle predictably and give the driver feedback

Dimman · 08-12-2010, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbcraig

It's not an SAE rule... it's the media along with pansy orginizations like Consumer Reports, that have tests designed to make vehicles snap-oversteer and then cry and complain when physics happens. (a la recent GX460 "scandal") Or media coverage about an 'awful characteristic' of Prius brakes - when the ABS is activated, the brake pedal vibrates (!) ... punishing automakers for making cars that handle predictably and give the driver feedback

Well, even in racing the engineers will tend to balance the car a hair on the understeer side. But modern road cars... omfg...

BTW, how is Consumer Reports still in business with all the car 'test' scandals they've had over the years?

Matador · 08-13-2010, 02:38 AM

@ dimman,

Simple answer, Sheeple.

NESW20 · 08-14-2010, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dimman

Well, even in racing the engineers will tend to balance the car a hair on the understeer side. But modern road cars... omfg...

depends on the driver's preference and the kind of track (speed of corners).

Abflug · 08-17-2010, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Hm... never thought bout leasing it. Might look into it, but see the + & -

btw, I like your avi! Awesome!

right! the + & - will be determinant!

Thanks!

KTB · 01-29-2011, 10:57 AM

i don't see a problem buying the first year of a new car. we are all waiting for it now aren't we?

When BMW brought the 1 series to the US all of the cars had special trim that said " year one of the 1" or something close to it.

and on a side note, that i am sure has been brought up before. When the FT-86 does come out i'd like to see a comparison with the 1 series BMW.

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Abflug Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Drives: MR2 Location: Land des Quattro Posts: 606 Thanks: 174 Thanked 50 Times in 28 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s)	BTT: I think I will lease first GEN - let´s see what´s gonna happen...

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Matador hashiryu Join Date: Nov 2009 Drives: Mk4 Supra Location: Probably mucking around in an engine bay Posts: 2,567 Thanks: 18 Thanked 37 Times in 20 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s)	@ dimman, Simple answer, Sheeple.

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KTB Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Drives: Nissan Titan Location: Saint Louis, Mo Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s)	i don't see a problem buying the first year of a new car. we are all waiting for it now aren't we? When BMW brought the 1 series to the US all of the cars had special trim that said " year one of the 1" or something close to it. and on a side note, that i am sure has been brought up before. When the FT-86 does come out i'd like to see a comparison with the 1 series BMW.

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