A little scare I got from Toyota Canada's site.

[70NYD]

if the auto is the twin clutch, it will explain the 3K+ jump that as happend in base price over the last few months. this car will definatly come with a manual option but, i mean if it doesnt they will miss the mark on a sports car completely (gtr isnt a car IMO its a ps3 with wheels)

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by 70NYD

if the auto is the twin clutch, it will explain the 3K+ jump that as happend in base price over the last few months. this car will definatly come with a manual option but, i mean if it doesnt they will miss the mark on a sports car completely (gtr isnt a car IMO its a ps3 with wheels)

That's a good one! Oh man, can't stop laughin'

[bigbcraig]

Originally Posted by Dimman

You know, if they built a twin-clutch they would only have to build one transmission instead of two, and that would be an excellent compromise. Hint, hint, Toyota...

I might cry if this happens.

Let Toyota build a soft, high-sales model and a drivers' model, not an overpriced, overweight compromise that doesn't quite catch either group.

[70NYD]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

That's a good one! Oh man, can't stop laughin'

cheers. i mean dont get me wrong its a awesome looking car, abeit being a little too bulky, but inside it feels like daytona usa but updated

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by bigbcraig

I might cry if this happens.

Let Toyota build a soft, high-sales model and a drivers' model, not an overpriced, overweight compromise that doesn't quite catch either group.

I'm just saying if they needed to reduce parts complexity to save cost and would only build a single transmission for all buyers, the twin clutch is the best option. I've heard nothing but wonderful things about the Porsche PDK. Rear mounting it as a transaxle would balance out some of the weight penalty.

But yes, it would still be a compromise from a feedback/involvement perspective.

[EyeZer0]

Originally Posted by Dimman

I'm just saying if they needed to reduce parts complexity to save cost and would only build a single transmission for all buyers, the twin clutch is the best option. I've heard nothing but wonderful things about the Porsche PDK. Rear mounting it as a transaxle would balance out some of the weight penalty.

But yes, it would still be a compromise from a feedback/involvement perspective.

Best option for Toyota which I wouldn't be too surprised if they do this unless it costs way too much is the Automated Manual Aisin already builds for Toyota in the LFA. Although I'm sure the LFA uses a very tricked out version, Aisin does promote it on their website.
http://www.aisin.com/product/automot...etrain/ot.html
Look at the middle of that page.

This satisfies Manual lovers by not adding complexity or added research costs while not totally screwing over Automatics.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by EyeZer0

Best option for Toyota which I wouldn't be too surprised if they do this unless it costs way too much is the Automated Manual Aisin already builds for Toyota in the LFA. Although I'm sure the LFA uses a very tricked out version, Aisin does promote it on their website.
http://www.aisin.com/product/automot...etrain/ot.html
Look at the middle of that page.

This satisfies Manual lovers by not adding complexity or added research costs while not totally screwing over Automatics.

Check out my rants about the LFA. This is a terrible option.

[EyeZer0]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Check out my rants about the LFA. This is a terrible option.

The automated manual works for what it intends to do show off that Toyota still has some racing technology that is coming up in the future. Will the LFA be raced or compared to other cars? Yes but I'm pretty sure the LFA is simply a display of various Toyota tech.

Also if you're going to get the manual and this option does not add complexity, weight or price to the manual version and makes it even easier down the line for cars to simply have this couple bits of metal and electronics taken off to convert autos to manuals why are you against it?

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by EyeZer0

The automated manual works for what it intends to do show off that Toyota still has some racing technology that is coming up in the future. Will the LFA be raced or compared to other cars? Yes but I'm pretty sure the LFA is simply a display of various Toyota tech.

Also if you're going to get the manual and this option does not add complexity, weight or price to the manual version and makes it even easier down the line for cars to simply have this couple bits of metal and electronics taken off to convert autos to manuals why are you against it?

Their application was apparently terrible. In anything but full-speed racing shifts it was horrible (and by twin clutch standards the shifting is slow). It was compared to the first generation Ferrari ones (like from 10+ years ago).

From what I've read, as I've neither driven a twin clutch or an automated manual, the twin clutches are better in every aspect. Shift speed, smoothness, power delivery, automatic mode, starting on an incline etc...

Also I'm not sure you just take off some parts and electronics to make an auto-manual a manual, as I believe they are also sequential.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Their application was apparently terrible. In anything but full-speed racing shifts it was horrible (and by twin clutch standards the shifting is slow). It was compared to the first generation Ferrari ones (like from 10+ years ago).

From what I've read, as I've neither driven a twin clutch or an automated manual, the twin clutches are better in every aspect. Shift speed, smoothness, power delivery, automatic mode, starting on an incline etc...

Also I'm not sure you just take off some parts and electronics to make an auto-manual a manual, as I believe they are also sequential.

How was that test drive of the LFA? Only ONE single reviewer has described it as badly as you claim. Stop spreading mis-information.

Anyway, Toyota is not going to put the Transmission from a $375K car into the FT-86. Neither does the FT-86 need a transmission that can handle 552hp-350+ft/lbs (though that would be lovely).

Now, If One were to talk about an improved version of the SMT in the MR-S...........

[NESW20]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Check out my rants about the LFA. This is a terrible option.

no. i glanced through them and disagree with most of your points. you clearly misinterpret why they used a single clutch system instead of a dual clutch.

as far as this thread that we are currently in, i have only one thing to say.....

H PATTERN.

[MtnDrvr86]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Now, If One were to talk about an improved version of the SMT in the MR-S...........

Now I think that would be a great option, the biggest problems I've heard with the SMT was it was WAY too slow, so an upgraded, faster vesion would be welcomed, Im sure. Along with a traditional manual, of course.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by MtnDrvr86

Now I think that would be a great option, the biggest problems I've heard with the SMT was it was WAY too slow, so an upgraded, faster vesion would be welcomed, Im sure. Along with a traditional manual, of course.

Yup. If they could match quick upshifts to the already great downshifts and add a real automatic mode then it would be a great compliment to a standard manual transmission with minimum weight gain.

[bigbcraig]

Originally Posted by Dimman

... to ... reduce parts complexity to save cost ... twin clutch is the best option

O RLY???


As for the rest of what you said, I'd LOVE a rear transaxle. But when people are complaining about high price and low horsepower in the thread about 7tune's interview, the last thing you should be asking for is a dual-clutch. The GTI's dual-clutch is an $1100 option, and the PDK is nearly $3500. And they're, unlike a regular 5/6MT, impossible for a normal person to work on or to beef up if you're making more-than-stock power.