Negotiating a Pre-Order

[FRSNewb]

As I had stated previously, I think 24k-25k is a fair price for the veh (including delivery of the veh) plus tax

What do all of you think is a fair price for the car? If I can't get this price I'd walk and find another dealer who would negotiate a fairer price with me..

[Scubaru]

Originally Posted by FRSNewb

As I had stated previously, I think 24k-25k is a fair price for the veh (including delivery of the veh) plus tax

What do all of you think is a fair price for the car? If I can't get this price I'd walk and find another dealer who would negotiate a fairer price with me..

It depends on the options the car has such as Bespoke radio with navigation, rear spoiler, special color, rear bumper applique, etc. Without this information, it's really hard to determine a fair price.

[ntron1]

Originally Posted by FRSNewb

As I had stated previously, I think 24k-25k is a fair price for the veh (including delivery of the veh) plus tax

What do all of you think is a fair price for the car? If I can't get this price I'd walk and find another dealer who would negotiate a fairer price with me..

We'll just agree to disagree on the fair price. At the end of the day, it is your money not ours and if you feel it is a decent deal @ 24K - 25K that is all that matters.

[FRSNewb]

Originally Posted by Scubaru

It depends on the options the car has such as Bespoke radio with navigation, rear spoiler, special color, rear bumper applique, etc. Without this information, it's really hard to determine a fair price.

I saw the car on Maple Toyota's website and the veh does not have Bespoke, no rear spoiler, the colour is black (Raven), no special bumper applique ETC.

Here's the link to the car itself:

http://www.mapletoyota.com/used/Scio...a058ac3ae3.htm

Not sure why they still have it listed on their website when Maple Toyota confirmed to me it was sold but anyways that's the car ^^^

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by Scubaru

It depends on the options the car has such as Bespoke radio with navigation, rear spoiler, special color, rear bumper applique, etc. Without this information, it's really hard to determine a fair price.

There is no Bespoke or navigation on '13 model year FR-S's and there are no special colors either. It could have a spoiler and the upgraded touch screen radio, but that's about it.

But you are right, it is hard to know what a fair price is without knowing more details (is it manual or auto, any extended warranty, etc.).

Even at $24 I think that's way too high considering a new '14 is $26,450. A year newer, your choice in color, no mileage, seemingly lower rates than what you are being quoted.

Seems like a no brainer to me.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by FRSNewb

I saw the car on Maple Toyota's website and the veh does not have Bespoke, no rear spoiler, the colour is black (Raven), no special bumper applique ETC.

Here's the link to the car itself:

http://www.mapletoyota.com/used/Scio...a058ac3ae3.htm

Not sure why they still have it listed on their website when Maple Toyota confirmed to me it was sold but anyways that's the car ^^^

I really hope you can get out of this deal, that's all I will say. Brutal.

[Scubaru]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

There is no Bespoke or navigation on '13 model year FR-S's and there are no special colors either. It could have a spoiler and the upgraded touch screen radio, but that's about it.

But you are right, it is hard to know what a fair price is without knowing more details (is it manual or auto, any extended warranty, etc.).

Even at $24 I think that's way too high considering a new '14 is $26,450. A year newer, your choice in color, no mileage, seemingly lower rates than what you are being quoted.

Seems like a no brainer to me.

You might be right about the navi only being available in the 14's, but the touch screen is the Bespoke system. You can option out a FR-S almost any way you want. Just check out scion.com, build a FR-S and you'll see what I mean.

The Whiteout FR-S is considered a special color option at $395 dollars. It's just a different name for Toyota's Blizzard Pearl.

[ntron1]

Here is what I do not understand. It is $26K + Tax if you go to Maple but $27.5K + Tax from your dealer. So you paid them $1,500.00 to get it for you? They are probably driving it to you and flying back.

[FRSNewb]

Originally Posted by ntron1

Here is what I do not understand. It is $26K + Tax if you go to Maple but $27.5K + Tax from your dealer. So you paid them $1,500.00 to get it for you? They are probably driving it to you and flying back.

That's if they even paid what Maple wanted for the veh...I priced out shipping costs and the companies that did quote me wanted $800-900 for shipping the veh from dealer to dealer

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by Scubaru

You might be right about the navi only being available in the 14's, but the touch screen is the Bespoke system. You can option out a FR-S almost any way you want. Just check out scion.com, build a FR-S and you'll see what I mean.

The Whiteout FR-S is considered a special color option at $395 dollars. It's just a different name for Toyota's Blizzard Pearl.

This guy is in Canada. BeSpoke was not available in Canada. A similar looking "upgraded" headunit was available in 2013, but it was not BeSpoke.

If you look closely, you will see no BeSpoke branding:





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[Jegan_V]

Originally Posted by FRSNewb

As I had stated previously, I think 24k-25k is a fair price for the veh (including delivery of the veh) plus tax

What do all of you think is a fair price for the car? If I can't get this price I'd walk and find another dealer who would negotiate a fairer price with me..

On a one year old car, unless the odometer reads from 0 to possibly 1600 km then $25K is not a good deal, $24K maybe if its so low and its a AT if that's what you want. A brand new 2014 MT with its MSRP is $26,450, the AT is $27,630. The limited Monograms start at about $28,800 for the MT to I think about $30,000 for the AT. A standard freight delivery charge for a new car is $1495. Armed with that info, at that point its up to you to decide.

Personally given the original $27K price I'd say its a bad deal. You only pay a bit more to get a brand new one that nobody's owned, exactly to the spec you wanted. When the difference is so small, I always go new > used, the used choice is only good if the discount is great enough to offset the advantages of a new car.

[AznKirby]

I don't know if being in Northern Ontario makes it easier for them to up the price like that, simply because there isn't a lot of competition.

That being said, it's still a pretty bad deal. Sign the papers and all - and make sure you get a new FR-S for that price, or lower.

Edit: I didn't see that it was an automatic. Might not be that bad of a deal, then. I'd still try to get a new one for that price!

Edit again:
Look at this one, for a price reference
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60442

[FRSNewb]

Originally Posted by AznKirby

I don't know if being in Northern Ontario makes it easier for them to up the price like that, simply because there isn't a lot of competition.

That being said, it's still a pretty bad deal. Sign the papers and all - and make sure you get a new FR-S for that price, or lower.

I'm assuming because this is a 'special order' they did specifically for me, they feel they can jack the price up as I would otherwise have to take a roadtrip to buy the car from the GTA. The more I read people's comments on this, the more I feel like I should just buy a new 2014 because of the similarity in pricing...that being said I'd still like to give my dealer the benefit of the doubt in terms of trying to negotiate a better deal on the car before I have to take a roadtrip to a dealer in Southern Ontario

[ntron1]

The "Special Order" means they get to keep your deposit. They transported this vehicle a long distance and there is no way they are going to eat that expense if you walk away. That being said, I am pretty sure you are screwed either way.