More power desires may be doomed

[SirBrass]

Originally Posted by Namuna

The "problem" was Toyota putting this vehicle under the Scion brand. 1/2 the people I tell that my car is a "Scion" they don't know what it is..."Huh?...It's a sky-on? skee-on?" Then I tell them it's actually a subsidiary of Toyota and THEN the light goes on. Then some other comments are about how they like my FR-S better than some of those other "weird looking boxy Scion cars".

So, either they've never heard of Scion, or they associate it in the same family as "weird looking" cars.

Should've just released it as the Toyota FT86 here in the States and I bet it would've broke the projected sales targets just like Subaru did.

The FR-S's are still selling very well despite that.

I also think Toyota wanted to try and salvage the Scion brand, which is why the FR-S got the Scion badge. I speculate that they're hoping the success of the FR-S will help sell the brand better.

And to be fair, Scion seems to be doing okay. I see plenty of tC's and xB's riding around.

[rick s]

Is it me or are a lot of people caught up in this badge thing! just wondering as I see a lot of comments on this.

[dirtymax]

Sorry but my first impression of the car was that it needed more power. Not much but more. Maybe if the torque dip wasnt there I might feel differently about it. I absolutely love everything else about the car but I can understand why people comment on the lack of power

[SirBrass]

Originally Posted by rick s

Is it me or are a lot of people caught up in this badge thing! just wondering as I see a lot of comments on this.

I don't give a crap about the badge, except for a bit of stock headunit envy as the FR-S gets the better headunit selection. If it's a FT86, I don't care if it carries a Subaru, Toyota, or Scion badge. It's an 86, and it's gorgeous.

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by SirBrass

Now, against a pretentious v6 Mustang d*bag? Yeah, ain't happening stock. But that's his problem for having so small a manhood that he thinks that he has to fly by a car that was designed to run with much lower HP than his straight-line-only machine.

I hate to say it but I see these "d*bags" alot with WRX STIs these days, and they won't floor their car until they get right alongside me on the road. They are probably pissed off since I have more STI parts than them on a non-STI badged car.

I can drive the BRZ plenty fast, I just wind it out like how you are supposed to drive older Japanese sport compacts. The BS thing is that if this car came stock with 30 more hp, people will say it should have another 20 more.

[rick s]

Originally Posted by dirtymax

Sorry but my first impression of the car was that it needed more power. Not much but more. Maybe if the torque dip wasnt there I might feel differently about it. I absolutely love everything else about the car but I can understand why people comment on the lack of power

But they did test drive the car before that committed to buying it, yes?
I don't understand how some are surprised that it may be underpowered.
Did the dealer siphon off some HP before the customer took delivery of the car!

[rick s]

Originally Posted by SirBrass

I don't give a crap about the badge, except for a bit of stock headunit envy as the FR-S gets the better headunit selection. If it's a FT86, I don't care if it carries a Subaru, Toyota, or Scion badge. It's an 86, and it's gorgeous.

Absolutely agree! 100%

[frsqc]

i dont see the problem..... if you want it to be zippy , headers tune and it should keep up with other car for a little over 1k.

[wu_dot_com]

Originally Posted by Whitigir

It isn't exactly slow, until you have a passenger in it. The camry or accord with a passenger will eat them up. Then you realize what are you sacrificing for ? from a practical 4 doors sedan to a 2 door.

If you are an autocross person, or track the car, you will smile off, and book a trip to the closest SCCA event or track. If you are a common college student, you would be like....wow!!! with this face "I hate the Camry, and accord, grocery getter are faster than me" This is the reason why many others are switching side.....the reason why Subaru will keep on selling WRX and STI (more sold every year)

if you want to pass those sedans, stop carrying fattys... there is a reason why we have factory bucket seats. think of it as a go/no go gauge.

if the girl didnt fit... sorry please exit the vehicle.

[SirBrass]

Originally Posted by wu_dot_com

if you want to pass those sedans, stop carrying fattys... there is a reason why we have factory bucket seats. think of it as a go/no go gauge.

if the girl didnt fit... sorry please exit the vehicle.

Those bumper stickers aren't just for show

(if you don't know which bumper stickers just complete this sentence, "No fat chicks...")

[Namuna]

Originally Posted by SirBrass

The FR-S's are still selling very well despite that.

I also think Toyota wanted to try and salvage the Scion brand, which is why the FR-S got the Scion badge. I speculate that they're hoping the success of the FR-S will help sell the brand better.

And to be fair, Scion seems to be doing okay. I see plenty of tC's and xB's riding around.

Yup, I see those funky tC's and xB's here and there as well...But they're the "funky", "hip", "not-your-usual-me-too" type of vehicles. The FR-S is a sports car and doesn't belong in that mix. It's like forcing a Jock to be a part of the Artistic crowd.

Even so, I have no doubt that the FR-S did wonders for the Scion brand, if Toyota indeed put the FR-S in that line-up to salvage it then I'd say it was a resounding success. That's how Toyota should be seeing it.

Badging a new vehicle to a lackluster brand (to salvage it), then complaining because it didn't sell as well as projected is the same as trying to have your cake and eat it too.

[dirtymax]

but at the risk of the warranty and smog nazis here. I would rather it just came with s2000 ish power from the factory. Ya I know thats lame to say but

[SirBrass]

The 86 is also a "not-your-usual-me-too" car either. It sort of fits. Scion is Toyota's "youth" brand, and the demographic they're selling the car to fits their Scion demographic as well.

Not that I entirely agree, but seen from Toyota's perspective it makes logical sense.

Thing is, the complaint about sales is being made on Toyota-badged GT86's in Europe. From what I understand, the FR-S is hitting the sales numbers just fine here in North America.

What I do NOT understand is why the rest of the world's GT86's and BRZ's get exhaust tips to match the valences, while North America FR-S's and BRZ's get these dinky exhaust tips. It's not that the axlebacks are different (they're not), just the tips. Why have an entirely different cosmetic part just for one part of the world? And one that absolutely uglifies the car for no legal reason (unlike the orange sidemarkers, which are ugly as hell on these cars but are there b/c of Federal regulations here in the US).

[ericmpena]

So many cries over "more power!" Get over it. If you're that douchebag who thinks every red light is a drag face-off opportunity then sell your damn twin and go buy a Camero.
Enough with the same redundant articles/threads.

FYI: Last night a guy with a white STI flagged me down in a parking lot just so he could drool over my car. Sure you can have a faster car, but I promise whenever you see a twin on the road you're gonna be eyeballing it too.