BRZ vs Renault Megane 265 Trophy

[carbonBLUE]

Originally Posted by SnapOv3st3r

Does not change my mind that its lame.

well both rwd and fwd cars can "snapoversteer" lol just messin with ya!

[Capt Canuck]

Originally Posted by SnapOv3st3r

That was rather lame video...just saying. Bunch of powersliding...to imitate what a RWD car actually does..."drift".

So when a FWD oversteers it's power sliding and when a RWD car oversteers it's drifting?

[cossey]

Originally Posted by Capt Canuck

cossey: as good as the previous gen RS Megane is, it has to have one of the sloppiest, vaguest gearboxes around for a sporty car.

By all accounts that won't be something you'll have to contend with, in the BRZ/GT86 :-)

It is pretty bad especially as it is quite narrow left ti right but with a very long forwards to back movement. There is a $10 fix that involves moving the cable mounting point that is very popular to fix this.

I am hoping the Toyobaru is much better though, and the reviews (inc EVO ) seem to suggest that it is.

[Capt Canuck]

Ah right, I did not realise there was a fix. I had a lengthy test drive in the F1 and was able to drive an R26 and 175 diesel at RSUK trackdays and was really disappointed by it.

Really was the only thing letting it down. Especially with how easy it is to safely boost the power on those things, they make for a great value for money :-)

[SnapOv3st3r]

Originally Posted by Capt Canuck

So when a FWD oversteers it's power sliding and when a RWD car oversteers it's drifting?

Oversteer is oversteer, don't matter what the layout is. Drifting isn't simply "oversteering". In that video they were making the FWD car oversteer on purpose...I.E. lame.

Pretty sure..this isn't just "oversteering".

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But hey, if you think it was cool, fine by me. I just think it was lame.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by SnapOv3st3r

Oversteer is oversteer, don't matter what the layout is. Drifting isn't simply "oversteering". In that video they were making the FWD car oversteer on purpose...I.E. lame.

Pretty sure..this isn't just "oversteering".

But hey, if you think it was cool, fine by me. I just think it was lame.

What's the difference between drift and over steer?

[SnapOv3st3r]

Originally Posted by fatoni

What's the difference between drift and over steer?

Imo.....intention and length of time performed...when you are talking RWD. But FWD is dragging the rear, not being propelled by it. You are "driving" the car with the throttle (rwd), not dragging the rest of the car and controlling angle with weight transfers (fwd). I've seen the BMI video, and the Honda hatch one imitating the drift. Albeit impressive, it still can not accomplish any drifting where its necessary to drive the car with the throttle.

Oversteer is usually involved with weight transfer ( be it intented or unintended) and drift is usually involved with being "driven" with the throttle (often intended). That's my take on it.

[86'd]

Originally Posted by fatoni

i think this is the first time anyone has admitted that this may not be the best car ever but simply the one they want. thanks

I think there are more of us out there than you think.

The Renault may be a better car on paper and even on the track (just like the mustang) but it ain't got what I want.

It is very strange that EVO is so blah about the car.

Given the fact that most all other reviews favor the car I think their contrarian opinion says more about them than it does the BRZ.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by SnapOv3st3r

Imo.....intention and length of time performed...when you are talking RWD. But FWD is dragging the rear, not being propelled by it. You are "driving" the car with the throttle (rwd), not dragging the rest of the car and controlling angle with weight transfers (fwd). I've seen the BMI video, and the Honda hatch one imitating the drift. Albeit impressive, it still can not accomplish any drifting where its necessary to drive the car with the throttle.

Oversteer is usually involved with weight transfer ( be it intented or unintended) and drift is usually involved with being "driven" with the throttle (often intended). That's my take on it.

So nothing about tire slip angles in your description?

Drifting has been used in performance driving long before the term got corrupted by a bunch of style-obsessed smoke monkeys.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by 86'd

I think there are more of us out there than you think.

The Renault may be a better car on paper and even on the track (just like the mustang) but it ain't got what I want.

It is very strange that EVO is so blah about the car.

Given the fact that most all other reviews favor the car I think their contrarian opinion says more about them than it does the BRZ.

im sure there are a bunch of you, err us, but im surprised someone posted something like that. i think if it came down to it i would go for the megane but im pretty sure that its just the "not in america" factor since the speed3, focus st and the host of stupid fast fwd cars dont appeal to me like the brz does

[Capt Canuck]

Originally Posted by SnapOv3st3r

Oversteer is oversteer, don't matter what the layout is. Drifting isn't simply "oversteering". In that video they were making the FWD car oversteer on purpose...I.E. lame.

Pretty sure..this isn't just "oversteering".

But hey, if you think it was cool, fine by me. I just think it was lame.

What's going on in this FormulaD video you linked? Is that oversteering occuring by accident? I am pretty all I see is two cars oversteering on purpose, boringly producing lots of smoke.
It is a pretty good example of something lame though

[Lasse]

Renault Megane 265 Trophy is a wonderful car, albeit ugly as hell. But people are forgetting that those things have very high running costs! GT86/BRZ gives you very unique mix of affordability, great handling, decent performance, sport car look, great quality and low running costs. Megane is very fast, but overall lacks few of those things what i listed. Great car, but not that great that i would buy it over GT86.

BTW, Clio 200 is also very fast and great handling car. It was as fast as Ford Focus RS in track but handled much better!

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[carbonBLUE]

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looks like drifting.... but isnt drifting...

[DIG1992]

I though this was a good vid to show the performance of the Megane vs boxster since the fr-s has a lower center of gravity than a cayman

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