2014 Ford Fiesta ST vs 2014 Subaru BRZ

[Efferalgan]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

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Man the BRZ/FR-S really has been compared against everything in these head-to-head reviews, from the classic E30 M3 to the plush ultra-modern mk7 GTI. From cars as cheap as the $20k Fiesta ST to cars as expensive as a $70k Porsche Cayman S.
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What? Cayman? How about Berlinetta:

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[whoster]

If you truly compare bottom lines, a Fiesta ST lease will run you about $100 less than an FR-S lease (same drive-away fees).

[Jesse@JDLAutodesign]

I picked up a focus st a few months back to get build some parts for and have fallen in love with the car...haven't driven a fiesta yet. It's a different car than the 86 which i absolutely love, but they both bring different things to the table.

[Mixlplix]

Originally Posted by Jesse@JDLAutodesign

I picked up a focus st a few months back to get build some parts for and have fallen in love with the car...haven't driven a fiesta yet. It's a different car than the 86 which i absolutely love, but they both bring different things to the table.

That is the bottom line: they are very different cars and bring different aspects of driving to the table. It depends on your desires/needs as to which is better. Personally i feel the 86 is in a different league.

[was385]

Originally Posted by Takumi788

^I agree it was a stupid comparison. Just because they are the same price doesnt mean they should be compared. We who purchased the twins purchased them because they are the best choice for a RWD Japanese sports car for the price. If your on the fence about FWD or RWD, or USDM or JDM, you must really not know what you want. I think the only NEW car the FRS should be compared to is the MX-5.

Wow... my post obviously flew WAY over your head.

[was385]

Originally Posted by Frost

You two are hilarious in your elitism with RWD.

When it comes to shopping, the general public cares about the bottom line and if both cars cost nearly the same, they will get lumped together. In the end, both cars are about giddy fun factor and not RWD vs FWD.

No one I know who has driven the ST versions of the Focus or the Fiesta have said they hated it. It's a very fun car.

As for reliability? Only time will tell...

By you two, I hope you don't mean me. Seems that no one understood that I was poking fun of the people who come in and call every comparison where the cars are slightly different, ridiculous.

[JPxM0Dz]

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[fatoni]

Originally Posted by JPxM0Dz

Oh the irony

thats not irony but its probably postworthy

[JPxM0Dz]

Originally Posted by fatoni

thats not irony but its probably postworthy

Opps my bad, I'll edit the post before anyone else has a stroke...

[Frost]

Originally Posted by was385

By you two, I hope you don't mean me. Seems that no one understood that I was poking fun of the people who come in and call every comparison where the cars are slightly different, ridiculous.

Ok, tough to tell if you were being sarcastic or not. My bad.

Speaking of the Fiesta ST, I read somewhere here that someone said the seats are too snug. Yes, they are but they need to be broken into. If you sat in them at the auto show they were still likely to be VERY virgin.

I liked the Fiesta ST much more than the Focus ST. The clutch feel and travel felt a lot easier to modulate on the Fiesta than the Focus.

[Jaylyons1]

Originally Posted by red_comet

I'd love to see how that could have gone with evenly matched tires.

It will be very interesting to see how things are when the STI comes out. Yea, it won't have any more power, but it will have much better rubber which is one of the biggest difference makers in any car.

Originally Posted by Tara

I have a Fiesta ST with the mountune kit. It's certainly fun and does feel faster than my BRZ but the BRZ is the more fun toy.

Ignore the bike..

It's the torque. My wife's Passat TDI feels faster too which makes it fun in it's own way.

[Vic_RSA]

The Fiesta ST hadn't been launched in ZA when I bought the 86 and half of me (the logical, sensible half -well 5%) would have taken the Fiesta ST eventhough we only get the 3-door and it is cheaper by a large margin and will murder the 86 at the altitude where I live.

But there is nothing like power-on oversteer!

PS: Also poor (poorer since 86! )

Originally Posted by TLRracer

The overwhelming majority of reviewers love the Fiesta ST. I drove both the Fiesta ST and the Focus ST back to back and the Fiesta ST is much lighter and more 'flickable.' The reviewers always comment on the fun to drive factor exactly like they do with the FRS/BRZ twins. I see the Fiesta ST on cars.com right around 20 thou for a base car. That's a $5000 dollar difference with a new FR-S. Could be the deciding point for a lot of folks who are poor like me

[SciOnDrifTtSlIdeR]

I love my FRS and i will never trade it for anything other then possibly a turbo FRS but the fiesta ST looks like it could be a very fun city car

[Jegan_V]

Originally Posted by Frost

Ok, tough to tell if you were being sarcastic or not. My bad.

Speaking of the Fiesta ST, I read somewhere here that someone said the seats are too snug. Yes, they are but they need to be broken into. If you sat in them at the auto show they were still likely to be VERY virgin.

I liked the Fiesta ST much more than the Focus ST. The clutch feel and travel felt a lot easier to modulate on the Fiesta than the Focus.

I'd add that the Focus ST's seats are not very comfortable, it seems to be a common complaint about the Focus' Recaros. Whereas the Fiesta was way better on this front.