Thoughts on Tires

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

*shrug* Good excuse to buy a FI solution. The stock tires may be more fun, but I don't trust them for shit.

Meh, they are fine in the dry, and quite communicative. They just overheat quickly.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by dsgerbc

Meh, they are fine in the dry, and quite communicative. They just overheat quickly.

I couldn't get over the wet handling and rain is the flavor of the weather here when it decides to weather. I swear the MPSS are better in the rain...

[Suberman]

Originally Posted by dsgerbc

Meh, they are fine in the dry, and quite communicative. They just overheat quickly.

The stock tires are hopeless in everything. Deliberately so.

Poor grip, abrupt breakaway and noisy.

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

I couldn't get over the wet handling and rain is the flavor of the weather here when it decides to weather. I swear the MPSS are better in the rain...

Oh, no doubt about the rain, or just damp asphalt, OEM Michelins are VERY slippery on those, where on PSS one can drive quite spiritedly (although I wouldn't recommend it on the street, overall grip in the wet on PSS might be similar to dry grip on OEM, but the wet breakaway is much more violent on any tire).

But in the dry, OEM Michelin grip of .9g is good enough for most applications and allows for some fun at street-legal speeds.

Originally Posted by Suberman

The stock tires are hopeless in everything. Deliberately so.

Poor grip, abrupt breakaway and noisy.

This just shows that you never tried to push them in the dry, or that your driving style needs work.

I find OEM Michelins quite gradual in their breakaway (in the dry) and noise only adds to the communication they provide.

[Suberman]

Originally Posted by dsgerbc

This just shows that you never tried to push them in the dry, or that your driving style needs work.

I find OEM Michelins quite gradual in their breakaway (in the dry) and noise only adds to the communication they provide.

Still with the personal jabs eh?

You're pretty much alone in your description of this car's behaviour on stock tires. You must be underemployed in your current vocation unless you really do drive race cars for a living and just fake deep ignorance of vehicle handling.

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by Suberman

Still with the personal jabs eh?

You're pretty much alone in your description of this car's behaviour on stock tires. You must be underemployed in your current vocation unless you really do drive race cars for a living and just fake deep ignorance of vehicle handling.

You seem to be deeply confused about everything, but keep popping up in every tire thread and act as if you know everything. Only personal jabs have any hope of shutting you up.

Yeah, I'm entirely alone.

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

I do keep saying that the OEM Primacys are really good tires... they just overheat quickly and stuffer from tread squirm.

Go learn to drive your car, dude.

To everyone else - click on Mike's quote, it's a thread about track impression about MPSS compared to OEM rubber.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Suberman

The stock tires are hopeless in everything. Deliberately so.

Poor grip, abrupt breakaway and noisy.

We have a track video with the stock rubber coming...

[Suberman]

Originally Posted by dsgerbc

You seem to be deeply confused about everything, but keep popping up in every tire thread and act as if you know everything. Only personal jabs have any hope of shutting you up.

Yeah, I'm entirely alone.



Go learn to drive your car, dude.

To everyone else - click on Mike's quote, it's a thread about track impression about MPSS compared to OEM rubber.

Won't work, just give up.

[SubieNate]

The biggest handling issue I see with the stock tires (aside from the poor wet grip) is that they don't like any kind of shock loading at all. I had to swerve last night pretty suddenly to avoid a rather large dead something in the middle of the Grapevine and the TC kicked on pretty hard. I managed to miss it but it wasn't confidence inspiring. My V12 evos or RS760s on my old Impreza would have shrugged off a similar maneuver.

Nathan

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by dsgerbc

You seem to be deeply confused about everything, but keep popping up in every tire thread and act as if you know everything. Only personal jabs have any hope of shutting you up.

Yeah, I'm entirely alone.



Go learn to drive your car, dude.

To everyone else - click on Mike's quote, it's a thread about track impression about MPSS compared to OEM rubber.

Ignore list is beautiful dude!


The OEM tires broke away in a completely progressive manner and the noise definitely told you what they were doing - as a noobie driver even I can tell this. I can also say they weren't confidence inspiring in maneuvers or in inclement weather under braking and cornering. The newer and higher limits of the MPSS mask a lot of my crappy driving, rob the car of fun, and only breakaway predictably when hot - I find the cold breakaway rather sudden and aggressive. All of those downsides aside, the MPSS turn the car into a grip MONSTER, which is something some people may enjoy.

[Victor Draken]

I think OEM Tyre are not that bad, lots of fun BUT with good road condition. You can still push them and they are quite progressive in break away situation still the Michelin ALPIN I have on are grippier then OEM tyre... Same corners I need more throttle and aggressive steering to have some fun with the rear of the car.

[Suberman]

Originally Posted by SubieNate

The biggest handling issue I see with the stock tires (aside from the poor wet grip) is that they don't like any kind of shock loading at all. I had to swerve last night pretty suddenly to avoid a rather large dead something in the middle of the Grapevine and the TC kicked on pretty hard. I managed to miss it but it wasn't confidence inspiring. My V12 evos or RS760s on my old Impreza would have shrugged off a similar maneuver.

Nathan

Exactly.

[Suberman]

Originally Posted by Victor Draken

I think OEM Tyre are not that bad, lots of fun BUT with good road condition. You can still push them and they are quite progressive in break away situation still the Michelin ALPIN I have on are grippier then OEM tyre... Same corners I need more throttle and aggressive steering to have some fun with the rear of the car.

My experience has been the same after fitting Pirelli Sottizeros.

"Progressive" is in the eye of the beholder, seat of the pants actually.

The BRZ can load up its tires very quickly and the Primacy's wimp out too easily and too quickly compared to what modern tires are capable of.

[Calum]

Well, the stock tires do have a wear rating of 240. I'm not surprised they can reach some fairly high grip levels. But the tread pattern leaves a lot to be desired for performance driving.